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Chipaccrual:
Played in the DTD monthly qualifier tonight.

Down to 13 players when this happened.

Game #6620311223: MONTHLY £50K Sat (ID8637815) £15+£1.50 - Hold'em NL (150/300) - 2008/12/09 - 22:33:49 (UK)
Table "8637815 - 2" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 1: boldedge (8450 in chips)
Seat 3: royfinch (8725 in chips)
Seat 5: TheFlame (3162 in chips)
Seat 8: L31GHW (22480 in chips)
Seat 9: joeegg (13850 in chips)
Seat 10: JARV1 (12210 in chips)
joeegg: posts the ante 25
JARV1: posts the ante 25
boldedge: posts the ante 25
royfinch: posts the ante 25
TheFlame: posts the ante 25
L31GHW: posts the ante 25
joeegg: posts small blind 150
JARV1: posts big blind 300
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to L31GHW [kh kc]
boldedge: folds
royfinch: folds
TheFlame: folds
L31GHW: raises to 1500
joeegg: folds
JARV1: calls 1200
----- FLOP ----- [4h 7d 6c]
JARV1: checks
L31GHW: bets 2400
JARV1: raises to 10685 and is all-in
L31GHW: calls 8285
----- TURN ----- [4h 7d 6c][6h]
----- RIVER ----- [4h 7d 6c 6h][qd]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
JARV1: shows [ah :as:] (Two Pairs, Aces and Sixes, Queen high)
L31GHW: shows [kh kc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Sixes, Queen high)
JARV1 collected 24670 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 24670 Main pot 24670 Rake 0
Board [4h 7d 6c 6h qd]
Seat 1: boldedge folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 3: royfinch folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 5: TheFlame folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 8: L31GHW (button) showed [kh kc] and lost with Two Pairs, Kings and Sixes, Queen high
Seat 9: joeegg (small blind) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 10: JARV1 (big blind) showed [ah  :as:] and won (24670) with Two Pairs, Aces and Sixes, Queen high

I had been dealt Queens twice earlier with the same player on the BB.  Raised both times.  First time he re-shoves all-in for about 10k and I decide to fold.  Second time he folds to the raise.

Left me with an average stack, but went card dead.  Made final table, but ran  ac jc into Kings and I was out in 10th.

I"m annoyed with myself, because I think I should have been able to fold to the all-in.  Or should I ?

hi_am_chris:
Not sure, is there not a gr8 possibilty he would play most pairs below kings this way aswell and get it in with 88 and upwards on that flop?

Swinebag:
would have been a great fold, dont think I could make it.

The way you played it from the start, you were clearly going all the way with it.

I think with your massive raise and then the c bet you are committed to calling here (due to the possible shoving hands that you beat)

With a "small ball" type approach to this hand (3 of you have M"s over 20 and are pretty deep) you maybe could have lost less and maybe got away from it.

tough spot for me!

Chipaccrual:

--- Quote from: hi_am_chris on December 09, 2008, 23:32:40 PM ---
Not sure, is there not a gr8 possibilty he would play most pairs below kings this way aswell and get it in with 88 and upwards on that flop?

--- End quote ---


Possibly.

I was in exactly the opposite position in a tournament at the weekend.  Down to 105 runners from 600 odd, paying 90.  AA utg, up against KK from mp who has me covered and he spikes a K on the river.

Just seen the same guy, down to 5 players in the DTD tourney call an all-in. He"s got AJ against the short stacks KK.  Same as my exit hand.  J on flop, A on river.  And he knocks the player out.

It seems that these type of critical hands is where you really need a bit of luck to go your way.

Chipaccrual:

--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on December 09, 2008, 23:36:16 PM ---


With a "small ball" type approach to this hand (3 of you have M"s over 20 and are pretty deep) you maybe could have lost less and maybe got away from it.


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What sort of size bet would you recommend in this position.  I"ll be honest, I wasn"t actually looking for much action with the kings.  Was happy to take antes and blinds and keep grinding along.  Wrong approach from me ?

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