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betting patterns
noble1:
With todays hyper aggressive plays in poker is there edge in being aware of betting patterns?
Can you use the knowledge of betting patterns to gain a advantage over your opponents and likewise use these patterns to improve your own game?
If you review your sessions you met most likely pick up patterns in your own game and that could be one hell of a saving in your cash game..
If i were to write out a pattern like - flop-bet 2/3 turn-bet 3/4 river-check
hands up who thinks that this looks like top pair flop but has failed to improve by the river to say 2 pair or trips...
So why do so many players have a problem with a check raise by an opponent who is out of position, the villian hits a set on the flop the pattern goes -
flop-check call turn-check raise
yet still there are a lot of players calling these spots with top pair or two pair..
So what i"d like to ask all my fellow APATers is are there any other betting patterns that you have come across that i have not mentioned above,also if you detected
a pattern in your own game how would go about fixing it??
LongshanksED:
ive noticed a pattern in my own game when im first to act and im currently trying to mix it up to eradicate it but unfortunetly i seem to be a creature of habit
things like continuation betting too often, 1/4 or 1/3 probe bets when i hit middle or bottom pair (or lower pair than the board) rather than a pot sized bet sometimes to try and win outright
betting patterns only really work when you spot them when you have been at the same table as others for at least a few hours and watched them closely - where as in todays online games having the same players at your table for more than an hour is a long time
this could be a good thread - im just a little tired at the moment to think about it properly
noble1:
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hooray a reply :) anyone would think it is christmas lol lol
This was also an area of my game that gave me problems LongshanksED , what i changed in this part of my strategy [especially in mtts] i gave a lot more consideration to my position at the table and my actions depended on what i had flopped and also my stack size to big blinds.
Nearly everyone now is dubious about a bet on the flop from the raiser especially, and so most opponents tend to call to see if you lead out on the turn.
I have a lot of thoughts on the continuation bets and the patterns you can exploit from it [the turn continuation bet as well] but hopefully others will chip in with there thoughts on this pattern.
But back to leading out LongshanksED , what i changed in my game was if it was in the early levels and i had position eg- button i raised QJ and the sb had called me,
the flop is KJ3 and the sb checks,because the check raise bluff is so common now
in this situation because they always think the button range is so wide , i will check
also [it gives me a chance to hit 2 pair or trips or to see if a ten comes] it also helps to keep control of the pot size.A lot of Players who cont. bet there medium
strength hands tend to end up building biggish pots with not so strong holdings..
There are lots of situations where checking the flop is advantageous and seeing a turn card !!
the above scenario applys to cash games equally as well imo
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i hope it does turn into a good one,there a lot of patterns and strategy"s to explore here.. ;D
LongshanksED:
i find i do check more in cash games when i hit the flop/turn more often in cash games and able to call small bets on the river where the pot could get out of control by the time the river comes along and i lose a good portion
yet i dont do this very often in tourney and the result of this i seem to have more success in cash games than in STT & MTT tourneys doing this at the moment
the level of cash games i play (micro 5c/10c or 10c/20c) i find people play more of a tourney style of game and go all in with AQ etc pre flop and are easier to predict their betting patterns
noble1:
all in pre-flop with AQ in mtts or cash if what i think you are referring to which what happens in say low level buy ins mtts in the early levels or the micro cash games is not a tourny style play,generally just think to yourself , donk player,inexperienced post flop.
If you apply your post flop cash game to a low buy in mtt,you met find quite a few players just itching to bluff there chips off to you when you check to them.
[i know in the early levels of micro mtts some players employ a strategy in the first
2 or 3 levels of going all in pre with pocket pairs and AQ AK AJs because there are some maniac call stations that will call and gamble with any 2 cards but please dont
think this as a common tourny style]
if you see this bet pattern LongshanksED [anyone] - Raise, Bet, Check
what cards generally would you put your opponent on??
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