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bet or check the river?
noble1:
no pro2 had 8.9million pre raised 1 mil and has called 1mil
TopPair2Pair:
--- Quote from: Toppietwo on December 31, 2008, 12:36:05 PM ---
Fold!
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*ahem* as mentioned early!!! erh fold......?
noble1:
--- Quote from: noble1 on December 31, 2008, 15:29:52 PM ---
ok pretty much 50/50 on check or bet which was the opinion of some pros that analyzed this hand afterwards.
Here is the river card and the action,what would you do now if your PRO2..?
--- Quote from: noble1 on December 31, 2008, 12:27:24 PM ---
I was reading up on some past mtts when i came across this hand on a final table 4 handed which i thought was interesting.
It is a high buy in,4 runners left all pros..
blinds - 150,000/300,000
PRO1 - 9 million in chips
PRO2 - 8.9 million in chips
pro2 is on the button and raises to 1 million with ah qc
pro1 in the big blind calls
the flop is - 5d 9c :2d:
pro1 checks
pro2 checks
the turn is - 5d 9c :2d: 7c
pro1 bets 1 million
pro2 calls
the river is - 5d 9c :2d: 7c qd
pro1 checks
pro2 ??????
what should pro2 do and why?
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the river is - 5d 9c :2d: 7c qd
pro1 checks
pro2 bets 2 million
pro1 goes all in
what does pro2 do now? he has 6.9 million left..
ps
Swinebag22 tough decision now :)
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the actual hand happened in the 2006 wpt world championship...
the players were pro1 - Joe Bartholdi pro2 - Claus Neilsen went on to call the all in and lost finishing in 4th place.
Roland de Wolfe was also playing and finished 3rd for over 1 million dollars,Joe Bartholdi actually went on to win $3,800,000 and the title.
final hands
pro1 - kd td
pro2 - ah qc
Roland de Wolfe analysis -
""I do no not think Claus did anything wrong in value betting the river,he had to see if joe was bluffing or not,but when joe re-raised all in i would of decided to fold"".
Mike Sexton analysis - [this one i prefer,shows Mike has thought about it imo]
""Calling Joes bet on the turn is where Claus made the real mistake.He only had AQ but called a 1 million bet with a 9-7-5-2 board with 2 suits.
Although he correctly suspected larcency by Joe , what was Claus going to do if the river was not an ace or a queen? Is he prepared to call his money off with ace high? In my opinion he should of folded the turn,i am also not crazy about Claus betting the river,if he had stepped back to analyze things a little there was a possible straight and flush draw on the board.What could by betting the river could joe have that will pay Claus off and not beat a pair of queens? I think Claus should
of folded when Joe bet the turn.""
to be honest i do not blame him calling the turn,but personally i would of checked the river when i first read this hand..
Shows though how differently we think about these situations..
happy new year everyone..
regards
noble
LongshanksED:
playing as pro 2 i"d have bet around 1mill to 1.5 on the flop instead of a check especially as pre flop raiser
on the turn, with no bet on the flop i"d have bet half the pot, if im called again then im worried when the queen diamond river card comes and happily check behind to what i feel im behind
kinboshi:
I"m with Roland.
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