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Hmmmmm
monkeyman:
Fair points Pilf, although I still believe that accepting anything whatsoever above cost price for a seat represents a blow to the ethics that are supposed to be in place for this organisation. The payment of £75 should represent the cost of taking part in a national amateur poker tournament, nothing more, nothing less and no gain should be made by anyone not attending.
No, I don"t believe anyone would go through the clickfest with the intention of getting a share of an unknown amateur, but that does not mean the current situation is free from the possibility of being abused. What"s to stop someone purchasing a ticket so they can partake of the national experience, then selling their seat to someone they know to be a better player in the hope that this gives them a better chance of making a few quid? Nothing at present. I"m certainly not suggesting this has happened so far, but if deals of this nature are allowed to proliferate, then people WILL start buying tickets with the intention of selling them on.
The situation is very similar to what has happened to the demand for tickets to music festivals over the last few years. I used to go to these events regularly, but haven"t been for several years because I refuse to pay a large sum of money several months in advance without knowing who is appearing. The reason festivals frequently sell out on the day tickets are released, is that lots of people make a purchase not because they want to attend, but because they can sell their purchases on at a profit. This is precisely the situation APAT will be faced with if above-face-value transactions are allowed to continue. APAT nationals are already so heavily oversubscribed, the potential for abuse needs to be addressed.
Mikeyboy9361:
I think this is the first time that this percentage thing has come into play, but having percentages in people is a poker thing, so I would suggest it is okay. I do though see where you are coming from, I had to sell my Dublin seat last year and could have done so quite easily for £150, but the spirit of APAT says its £75 and for me that is fair enough.
Pilf:
--- Quote from: STEVEFRYER on January 27, 2009, 17:01:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Pilf on January 27, 2009, 16:43:06 PM ---Nothing extra (like a car or a horse or whatever) is paid up front.
Therefore we are adding value but not to the amount we pay up front.
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what difference does it make if I say £75 plus my car today or £75 today plus my car next month (provided I don"t change cars in the meantime)
--- End quote ---
None.
- Monkeyman, I think we are just about on the same page.
STEVEFRYER:
--- Quote from: Pilf on January 27, 2009, 17:17:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: STEVEFRYER on January 27, 2009, 17:01:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Pilf on January 27, 2009, 16:43:06 PM ---Nothing extra (like a car or a horse or whatever) is paid up front.
Therefore we are adding value but not to the amount we pay up front.
--- End quote ---
what difference does it make if I say £75 plus my car today or £75 today plus my car next month (provided I don"t change cars in the meantime)
--- End quote ---
None.
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So why make the distinction of adding value up front or otherwise?
It"s coming back to that word value again, clearly seats are being sold above face "value"
Pilf:
--- Quote from: STEVEFRYER on January 27, 2009, 17:20:24 PM ---
So why make the distinction of adding value up front or otherwise?
It"s coming back to that word value again, clearly seats are being sold above face "value"
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Because we are adding implied value that can not be measured before the tournament is over. It is my belief this is the key distinction.
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