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Danz0r:
I really, really dislike this hand as it gets me in more trouble than its worth.

I read somewhere to treat it asif it is  8h 8s and since then, that has helped me get out of a few spots.

Do you think its just standard pocket pair play? Maybe a small raise, and a pop at continuation bet but fold if raised after?

Swinebag:
I love getting pocket jacks. It is a premium hand after all. It does play poor post flop a lot of the time so early in a tournament I try to not overplay it pre or post flop. Pre flop, I"ll open raise in any position, raise it up in a limped pot, call a raise with it, but will rarely 3 bet a raise. If a raise is called and I am OOP then I proceed with caution as this is probably where I can lose big with this hand. Later on in a tourney, its a great hand to get it all in with....certainly better than 88!!

Danz0r:
Oh the injusice of this thread..

Just as I was typing the reply I got taken out of a tourney KK vs JJ lol, the J"s hit a set, sigh.

I agree at later stages of a tourney but early on when everyone is playing limp aces for even 5-10x BB they"re risky.

noble1:

--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on January 30, 2009, 23:18:49 PM ---
I love getting pocket jacks. It is a premium hand after all. It does play poor post flop a lot of the time so early in a tournament I try to not overplay it pre or post flop. Pre flop, I"ll open raise in any position, raise it up in a limped pot, call a raise with it, but will rarely 3 bet a raise. If a raise is called and I am OOP then I proceed with caution as this is probably where I can lose big with this hand. Later on in a tourney, its a great hand to get it all in with....certainly better than 88!!

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i agree with most but the 3bet part,if you are 40bb+ stack wise it is important to have
a wide 3bet range otherwise it will be easy for a decent opponent to put you on a hand..the rest is as usual based on your reads/position/stack size/how many players call etc etc

oneill1970:
I view JJ as a high pair rather than a premium hand pre-flop.  Also you"ve got to be careful if somebody keeps raising against you.

When the flop comes down, for me it"s easy - either I have an overpair on a dry board or I have a set.  People will play Ax, Kx and Qx on a wing and a prayer, and there will be too many combinations out there.  If I don"t hit the flop, I"m looking for a reason to fold, or, on a wet board, looking for a read.

For me, this is a hand where you need to get out quickly if you are behind.  If you think you are ahead, then play accordingly.  I think people overthink this hand - simply put, its strength is truly defined on the flop.  Too many people stay in with nothing but hope...

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