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Blind Structure, specifically antes...
APAT:
One of the key objectives of developing the structure in this way is to prepare players for stepping up to the GUKPT. Lots of members will qualify for GUKPT Main, Champion of Champions or Grand Final Events through winning APAT titles this year and it is an added benefit that they have some experience of these structures, prior to sitting down at those events.
I"ve lost count of how many days the WSOP Main Event takes, but I"m pretty sure they don"t have an objective to fit it in over a Saturday and Sunday, while getting everyone home at a reasonable hour for work on Monday. A joke obviously, but I don"t think we can compare the WSOP and APAT structures.
WarBwastardo:
--- Quote from: APAT on February 04, 2009, 01:19:58 AM ---
One of the key objectives of developing the structure in this way is to prepare players for stepping up to the GUKPT. Lots of members will qualify for GUKPT Main, Champion of Champions or Grand Final Events through winning APAT titles this year and it is an added benefit that they have some experience of these structures, prior to sitting down at those events.
I"ve lost count of how many days the WSOP Main Event takes, but I"m pretty sure they don"t have an objective to fit it in over a Saturday and Sunday, while getting everyone home at a reasonable hour for work on Monday. A joke obviously, but I don"t think we can compare the WSOP and APAT structures.
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Fair enough, but I think the $1,500 WSOP events use the structure I mentioned which are all 2 day events no?. I wasn"t referring to the main event.
MAIR:
If we are going to play the big games eg GUKPT, we need to get used to these kind of structures.
I very much doubt after 3 hr 45 min of play the av stack will be $10.5k tbh, I could be wrong but at the Scottish National, during level 5 the Av stack was $11.5k and we are talking about a Level 6 change here to bring in the antes.
As ever, Des & the team will be monitoring the first Live National to see how the structure works out and are always quick to make any changes they deem necessary.
Lets just see how Walsall goes and take it from there.
RioRodent:
--- Quote from: APAT on February 04, 2009, 01:19:58 AM ---
One of the key objectives of developing the structure in this way is to prepare players for stepping up to the GUKPT. Lots of members will qualify for GUKPT Main, Champion of Champions or Grand Final Events through winning APAT titles this year and it is an added benefit that they have some experience of these structures, prior to sitting down at those events.
I"ve lost count of how many days the WSOP Main Event takes, but I"m pretty sure they don"t have an objective to fit it in over a Saturday and Sunday, while getting everyone home at a reasonable hour for work on Monday. A joke obviously, but I don"t think we can compare the WSOP and APAT structures.
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The WSOP ME has 8000 - 10000 players and 120 min levels... so no probably not a good comparison.
Surely a simple compromise would be 40 min levels... allowing one extra level / every 8 levels.
RioRodent:
--- Quote from: AMRN on February 03, 2009, 21:21:06 PM ---
I agree - you gotta repeat the previous level when introducing the antes, or the jump is horrible and will take so many people from reasonably stacked to short stacked without touching a card.
Also, I note that the antes are almost always running at 1/8th of the SB.... looking at some other big tournies (was looking specifically at Aussie Millions) the SB wanders anywhere from 1/6th to 1/4th of the SB - this means the pot is so much juicier before the action starts, and obviously makes for much looser play and more steal attempts. Running antes at 1/8th of SB will decrease that steal value - an 8 seat table will only have equivalent of 1 SB added to the pot by antes..... which means not much difference between having antes and not having antes. IMO
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Since making my original post I have given this more [some!] thought. I think that AMRN"s second point is actually more pertinent i.e. the small size of the ante as opposed to how it is introduced.
Because it so small, as little as 1/10th SB at some points, not repeating the previous level is not sooooo bad.
e.g.
WSOP structure - 100/200 [300] upto 25/100/200 [550] = 83% increase.
APAT structure - 150/300 [450] upto 25/200/400 [850] = 89% increase.
Still, no harm debating these issues, eh? :-[
("Why is the Ante so low?" thread to follow!!) ::)
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