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NO SNOW - 2 a.m. finishes ... Structure!?
SirPercival:
I don"t think many players who reach the final stages have a problem with the late finish. Up until this event we had all been saying more chips, longer levels, more levels etc.
The real issue is those guys who put in all the effort to make it all happen. These people also have jobs to go to on Mondays (except Leigh "I"m a Pro" Wiltshire of course).
It is for this reason, and also because APAT's intention was always to accomodate those mear mortals like me that have jobs, that any changes needed should be welcomed.
I for one agree with Andrew"s collected ideas. Split dinner works well but it does rely on the casino being organised to cope with it. Someone said they now do this at the GUKPT events so it could work.
The 2 hour break before the FT didn"t help either (not the fault of APAT)
Is an earlier start on the Sunday possible?
HaworthBantam:
From the APAT rules, for info.....
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44. Calling for the clock procedures: Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called for, a player will be given one minute to make a decision. If action has not been taken by the time the minute is over, there will be a ten second countdown. If a player has not acted on his hand by the time the countdown is over, the hand will be dead. The following individuals, without exception, are entitled to call a clock on a player;-
1. Tournament Director.
2. Table Dealer.
3. Another player participating in that specific hand.
For the avoidance of doubt, the clock cannot be called on a player by another player who is not participating in the hand in question.
--- End quote ---
Honeybadg:
... if people were taking 5 mins to make a fold then that is ridiculous ...
As I said I think the structure is excellent on paper ...
So ... say I am involved in a hand when roughly can I call for the clock ... what"s reasonable?
I think a minute is reasonable to make a decision - but others will disagree.
The point about most players not minding the late finish doesn"t help those that do mind it ... I was neutral for this tournament - it would have been easy for me to stay.
In the briefing the estimated was 10pm. (Late enough)
One idea to induce play would be to keep a tally of knock outs and have an "assasin" award for each tournament. (Scrub if this is an admin nightmare).
Well played the APAT team.
Louis
Bodddders:
Had clock called on me on Saturday (no probs). Only thing was that someone not in the hand was asking for the clock, I politely informed them it wasn"t there place to ask. (again no probs).
Don"t agree that clocks are not in the Apat spirit they are there to make sure the game flows. Holding the game up is not in the Apat spirit.
AMRN:
Personally, I thought the structure was absolutely perfect (but then I would, wouldn"t I?). However the finish was a little too late for a Sunday night, given that most people play the game with every intention of going to work on Monday morning.
We started at 14:30 on Sunday, but I was at the casino at 13:00, and the place was already starting to buzz..... don"t see why we couldn"t have started at 14:00. Then, if the casino had been a little more organised around the dinner break, and the break had lasted for one hour max, that would have cut a total of 1.5 hours from the day, and the game would have ended around midnight...... in my opinion, that would have been spot on.
One other thing to take a look at is the sizing of the antes. In some levels the ratio of ante to small blind was 10:1.... I think the highest I saw it was 6:1. If the antes were just slightly larger and running between 4:1 and 6:1, the pots would have been more attractive for stealing, and would have induced more play (and stopped all that silly passive folding when down to the lasst three :) )
Overall though, the structure was as good as I"ve ever played - I loved it.
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