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How bad did I play this ?......eorr, eorrr, eorrrrrrrrr
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 07, 2009, 09:54:18 AM ---
he didn"t beat with his cards here..... he just used position to outplay you. JJ out of position is a difficult hand to play..... treat it like a small pair rather than a premium hand when oop. Limp or small raise, then check/fold if the flop gives overcards.
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I disagree with this tbh- he played it worse than you probably thought you were "blagging" (find this in common pub players who always think that people who play poker are bluffing)
Once you bet the flop he should fold or move in given effective stack sizes
AMRN:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on March 07, 2009, 14:39:36 PM ---
Once you bet the flop he should fold or move in given effective stack sizes
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Do you never call preflop when you have position knowing that you will call a c-bet with any two cards, ie float the flop, then see if the c-bettor is willing to fire again on the turn.... a check on the turn from the c-bettor is often a sign of weakness that can be exploited. [Clearly if he fires again perhaps you should become a believer and fold.]
Dependant on how deep the stacks are, I think position against a preflop raise is often far more powerful than having a decent hand, and of course it comes along a lot more often than a premium hand.
Calling a preflop raise in position, but then auto-folding to the c-bet is just too weak....... and in reality George, I don"t believe you would ever play that weak.
BOINGBLITZ:
The replies I expected from people whose views I respect too !
I thought I played it badly too !!
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 07, 2009, 16:44:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on March 07, 2009, 14:39:36 PM ---
Once you bet the flop he should fold or move in given effective stack sizes
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Do you never call preflop when you have position knowing that you will call a c-bet with any two cards, ie float the flop, then see if the c-bettor is willing to fire again on the turn.... a check on the turn from the c-bettor is often a sign of weakness that can be exploited. [Clearly if he fires again perhaps you should become a believer and fold.]
Dependant on how deep the stacks are, I think position against a preflop raise is often far more powerful than having a decent hand, and of course it comes along a lot more often than a premium hand.
Calling a preflop raise in position, but then auto-folding to the c-bet is just too weak....... and in reality George, I don"t believe you would ever play that weak.
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Steve I absoloutely agree with you- folding to a c-bet when you"ve missed isn"t always part of the plan. However I just don"t think BOING is deep enough here to mess about.
The problem in this scenario is that BOING will shove the turn A LOT of the time post flop or turn. When stack sizes are deeper than, yep use position here but otherwise fold/push pre. Anything else is just very spewy.
And I really don"t believe his opponenet used position on him. Maybe I"m being a bit patronising but the way BOING has described it he probs thought "I have KJ I can"t fold". I"m sure had the raise been from UTG and he was OOP with a marginal hand he"d still probably call.
BOINGBLITZ:
George.....have you checked your personal messages ??......only I haven"t had a reply from you yet.
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