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Trivial Fold?
George2Loose:
yeh I would probably check this board too
Honeybadg:
... really enjoying the banter here ... for me the check here is effectively giving up on the hand ... what bet would you call ... you give the hand to the person in position or are you looking for a raise in order to re-raise ... looks very dangerous to me!
Interested in thoughts.
L
deanp27:
a check isn"t always weakness. But it can control the pot so that if you are up against draws/combos you don"t get so deep that you can"t get away. If you give away a free card it isn"t a sin, you can get away cheap from a dangerous card or play when drawing hands have reduced equity.
bet/folding is giving up the pot, you are leading blindly into a dangerous board where the very best you can hope for is to get both players to fold really. Betting "to see where you are" is overused and overrated.
by betting you are creating a bigger pot, if you get flatted in one or two spots you are potentially in bad shape - what would be your plan for the turn if you bet the flop and got flat called - would you give up on the pot or keep firing?
Honeybadg:
"Betting "to see where you are" is overused and overrated"
I think you have to try and know where you are ...
(I will come back to the rest in a moment - 5.15pm race about to run!)
L
Swinebag:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on March 11, 2009, 14:43:26 PM ---
it is because the pot bet is always seen as a protective bet - ie top pair, bottom 2, overpair on a scary board etc.
it is usually a bad bet because it folds out all hands you beat, gets action from hands that beat you and telegraphs your hand to good players. It is only good for valuetowning poor players in an obvious spot where you are good. It also means you have to bet more when you are c-betting to avoid bet sizing tells, which isn"t good.
i still think checking here isn"t terrible fwiw.
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This
--- Quote from: deanp27 on March 11, 2009, 16:29:58 PM ---
a check isn"t always weakness. But it can control the pot so that if you are up against draws/combos you don"t get so deep that you can"t get away. If you give away a free card it isn"t a sin, you can get away cheap from a dangerous card or play when drawing hands have reduced equity.
bet/folding is giving up the pot, you are leading blindly into a dangerous board where the very best you can hope for is to get both players to fold really. Betting "to see where you are" is overused and overrated.
by betting you are creating a bigger pot, if you get flatted in one or two spots you are potentially in bad shape - what would be your plan for the turn if you bet the flop and got flat called - would you give up on the pot or keep firing?
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^^^^^^^^
excellent stuff
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