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what line of play would u take?
AMRN:
1. CALL? Too many players to act afterwards who might squeeze - and not sure I would want to over commit with JJ at this stage, hence would be folding to a squeeze. Also, if no squeeze comes, and flop comes 10 hi..... and UTG gives you a decision for your whole stack, would you be prepared to call? Possibly not, so better to not flat call preflop.
2. RAISE? Standard raise to around 6000 is a possibility, but would you call a shove from UTG? Possibly not. Also, if UTG plays tricky and calls, then bets a flop with overs....?
3. SHOVE? No way - the only hands UTG will fold are those which you are beating.
4. FOLD? There"s got to be a good argument for folding here with so many players to act behind, and against an UTG raise.
I think I would fold in this spot. If a little nearer the button I would probably call and try and play the flop in position. If in the blinds, and the open raise came from late position I would probably make a big raise (possibly even shove). But in early position, against an UTG raiser, and with a nice sized and playable stack, I"m folding and waiting for a better spot.
Swinebag:
I honestly think I"d call here
However, I think this may be a bit spewy because as steve (AMRN) says I am folding on a flop with undercards if put under pressure. Are the effective stacks possibly not quite big enough to be set mining here? they probably are too small, so that leaves raise or fold.
A standard reraise to 60-65K commits you to the hand and shoving will only get called by a better hand. With no read on the UTG raiser, you have to think that you are behind his range and given that there are still others to act then fold is possibly the way to go. It just seems a bit nitty to be folding JJ. .
with the fast pace of online tourneys, I"d probably still call....a leak possibly.
Zanshin:
I agree that it seems a bit nitty to be folding JJ here but I think that's the play I'd make.
New to the table with no reads it is certainly possible that the UTG raise is a steal but It's just as possible that he has a genuine hand and if you raise and he shoves then you can't call.
If you just call and the others at the table are of the opinion (with their extra knowledge of this UTG player) that his 3x raise is a steal then your call is not showing any strength and just building a pot which someone may decided to take a stab at with a push.
If I'd been at this table for a couple of rounds then the situation may have been a lot different but with such a good stack I'd wait for a better spot.
kinboshi:
You have the 4th best starting hand. Not sure why everyone"s so keen to fold?
You say you have no reads on the UTG player - so you have to assume he has some sort of hand.
I raise to isolate, and call a shove from UTG.
AMRN:
--- Quote from: kinboshi on March 17, 2009, 16:39:28 PM ---
You have the 4th best starting hand. Not sure why everyone"s so keen to fold?
You say you have no reads on the UTG player - so you have to assume he has some sort of hand.
I raise to isolate, and call a shove from UTG.
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hmmmmmm how would you know what to do Dan? This is way past the end of Level One!! ahhhh perhaps therein lies an explanation :)
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