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Righ thing? Wrong Thing?
noble1:
gap theory , players know that 1 mistake can bust them or cripple them when the antes kick in , there are few deep stacks unlike the beginning of the mtt,the only ones priced in to call are the blinds but then they"ll be out of position.
But by loosening up your initial hand range in the latter stages and with smaller raises you cut down your losses if you happen to lose a pot...In other words, by making smaller raises preflop, I lose fewer chips when I ultimately lose a hand.
Mostly a lot of players tighten up in mid lat stages when the antes kick in , so steal steal steal is my main objective...
I think as a whole a lot of players get there strategy wrong by playing loose early and tighter later , imo it should be the other way round...........
rubertoe:
I tend to agree with Noble - Tight early - loose later!! Steal steal steal - with 2.5x raises So what if the Blinds are getting good prices we want them In OOP!! also by commiting to a smaller raise it is cheaper for me to fold to 3-bets and in the long term 2.5x is more profitible than a 3x raise!!
People will generally fold to a 2.5x raise as they would a 3x 4x - So by comitting few chips it is more profitible long term!
AMRN:
This is ok as a theory, but one of the variables I mentioned was the general tightness/fishyness of the table. If you are at a table of deepstacks who all want to call for value, you will find yourself giving up on the flop too many times..... hence 2.5xBB in this situation is often spewy. If table is prone to folding to any activity, then of course 2.5x is as good as 3x or 4x..... but as I said in my earlier post, there is no "one size fits all" method for preflop bet sizing.
noble1:
i agree mostly with your thoughts on this AMRN in early stages of a mtt...All i did was try to expand on the idea that raising 3x or more when the antes kick in is not the best strategy..generally there are few deep stacks left at this stage who can take advantage of calling..
In the mid to late stages of a mtt my approach was a standard, tight-aggressive strategy but as i gained more experience and my reading of situations/players got better i started to play a looser more unorthodox style if i was up against tougher players in the higher buy in mtts...Even in low buy in mtt or a mtt with a lot of weak players i will adapt to the dynamics of the table but even in these when the antes/blinds are high compared to stack sizes they tend to limp in and not raise [or spewy high raises or all ins lol ]..if you change this dynamic by making small 2.2 to 2.5 raises they tend to tighten up and mostly only 2 or 3 players will see the flop if you are called...now you use your experience [your advantage over the weaker players] but also you will be surprised by how often that you get the blinds and antes without any opposition...Steady constant pressure , gearing up then slowing down when you sense the table cottoning on to what you are doing,then repeat after a orbit or 2 of inactivity lol lol sounds like a recipe ;D
The whole theory is that you have a lot to gain when the the blinds/antes are high but on the flip side you lose more by not winning...
This is a big subject with a lot detail/situations/dynamics to be discussed in one thread..wowser you could write a book on it with all the different approaches that players take when the antes are large...but the crux of the thing imo is about a lot of the time a hell of a lot of players naturally go along with the flow of the table without trying to exploit it or are to slow/late to react , there continuation bets are to large , there post flop bet sizing to large and 3 betting to much with big hands.... just my current opinion which i"d love to discuss further if anyone is interested....
deanp27:
back to the original hand i think the villain played his hand very odd. he has virtually flopped the nuts for his hand TPTK+NFD, and really should CRAI. The way he played it he only gets called by huge hands(like sets, flushes).
with those hands on that flop someone is going broke anyway imo
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