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noble1:
same situation but slightly deeper stacked,anyone think a river bet may of took it?

PokerStars Game #27018054443: Tournament #200904223, $10000+$300 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2009/04/12 16:47:50 ET
Table "200904223 49" 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: CASINOICE (10400 in chips)
Seat 3: jornxx (9825 in chips)
Seat 4: Big_Nemo (10125 in chips)
Seat 5: area23JC (10725 in chips)
Seat 6: actaml (10225 in chips)
Seat 7: Goldenboys (9300 in chips)
Seat 8: I"am_Sound (9025 in chips)
Seat 9: caio_pimenta (10375 in chips)
Big_Nemo: posts small blind 25
area23JC: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
actaml: folds
Goldenboys: folds
I"am_Sound: folds
caio_pimenta: folds
CASINOICE: folds
jornxx: folds
Big_Nemo: raises 150 to 200
area23JC: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [6h 9d 8h]
Big_Nemo: bets 300
area23JC: calls 300
*** TURN *** [6h 9d 8h] [3d]
Big_Nemo: checks
area23JC: bets 550
Big_Nemo: calls 550
*** RIVER *** [6h 9d 8h 3d] [2c]
Big_Nemo: checks
area23JC: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Big_Nemo: shows [Jd Js] (a pair of Jacks)
area23JC: mucks hand
Big_Nemo collected 2100 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2100 | Rake 0
Board [6h 9d 8h 3d 2c]
Seat 1: CASINOICE folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 3: jornxx (button) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 4: Big_Nemo (small blind) showed [Jd Js] and won (2100) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: area23JC (big blind) mucked [Jh Th]
Seat 6: actaml folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 7: Goldenboys folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 8: I"am_Sound folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 9: caio_pimenta folded before Flop (didn"t bet)

tonyj444:
Seems pretty unlikely for a river bet to take this down.  BigNemo surely has to assume that most (if not all) hands that are ahead of his JJ on that flop will raise due to the scary board.  The turn and river dont connect with anything (other than some unlikely floating hands 22/33/45) so a big percentage of the time BigNemo has to assume he is still good.

I"m quite surprised that area23JC hasn"t raised this flop though.  He has a big hand and plenty of fold equity. His flat on this flop essentially means he either has to hit his draw or hope that BigNemo has overs and gives up on the turn.  Thoughts?

mal666:

--- Quote from: noble1 on April 12, 2009, 20:30:24 PM ---
thx guys,the games are tougher now and my std move/line would be to lead these spots as well..
The crafty TAGS if they have say a pair like QQ JJ TT etc even there Ace J/Q hands are less reluctant to fold these days [its getting harder to find enough scared opponents anymore  ;D]
But in this spot i find it very common now that QQ JJ etc will snap call my turn bluff and i cannot continue on the river as they shove there remaining stack,some even now check raise all in the turn..
So my line now is to check behind on the turn, and when/if he value bets his 2 jacks etc etc on the river [mostly they throw out a blocker], i instantly shove, and I mean instantly..(unless the river is a 6, then i min raise instead ::)).
If they check the river i tend to bet 1/2 pot or just over and if they call that i still have enough back for a double up to be back where i started..

Anyone strongly disagree with this line?


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Default is c/call river, the blocker is dead, too exploitable.

Mikeyboy9361:
I don"t think a river bet would have got Nemo off his hand, he has already check called, and is just trying to control the pot, but I think he is pretty sure he is ahead. I am sure he is putting the other guy on a draw, and when the river comes down as it has, he still thinks he is ahead, and would in my opinion have called a bet on the river.

noble1:
now put a King on the flop same pattern of play on the flop but check turn [JC Tran] bet river , who thinks oop villain fancies his Jacks now?  

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