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bad move at wrong time or standard??
Waz1892:
--- Quote from: mal666 on May 04, 2009, 16:30:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: lukybugur on May 04, 2009, 16:25:38 PM ---
--- Quote --- ... K9s should be in the muck preflop
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From BB, it"s only 1k more into a 2.9k pot. MP"s raise is pi$$ poor IMO.
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nah, push or fold pre. fold
noble1:
personally i would not call + play this hand oop at this sort of stack size..
For me i"d have 3 options
1. fold
2. all in steal - 17bb , he needs a bloody good hand to call [good move if you think villain is capable of folding and/or is raising light] only tend to do this when antes have kicked in
3. do a go+go - re-raise to 4000 [because i tend to vary my rr amount from 2.5x to 3.5x] if he calls the extra 2400 because you are 1st to act and the pot is now 9800 [doing this quick as its tea time] now you have 7400 back you shove it in any flop unless you flop a monster then you"d check :) the beauty of this is your opponent will not connect 2in3 and your given him around 1.3 to 1 to call [not good equity for him]
AMRN:
would like to think I wouldn"t play K9 against a preflop raise, but with his pithy raise you"re kinda priced in. With the draws all over the flop, I"m checking here hoping he"ll make a c-bet, then re-raising all in with the draw.
Swinebag:
A 2.5 BB raise is pretty standard at this stage of the tourney, so doesn"t neccessarily represent weakness. You are getting good odds to play the hand OOP, but this isn"t really a pot odds decision. It costs too much of your stack and most of the time you are not going to connect well with the flop.
As for the M of "about 5" that I quoted. Assuming you are 8 handed here. blind + antes = 900 + 800 = 1700. This divides into your stack of 10.4K, 6.1 times. So its an M of 6, so its still push/fold mode. I suppose calling with the aim of shoving (stop and go) is good.
What would you have done if you had missed/not connected with the flop?
noble1:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on May 04, 2009, 20:22:20 PM ---
A 2.5 BB raise is pretty standard at this stage of the tourney, so doesn"t neccessarily represent weakness. You are getting good odds to play the hand OOP, but this isn"t really a pot odds decision. It costs too much of your stack and most of the time you are not going to connect well with the flop.
As for the M of "about 5" that I quoted. Assuming you are 8 handed here. blind + antes = 900 + 800 = 1700. This divides into your stack of 10.4K, 6.1 times. So its an M of 6, so its still push/fold mode. I suppose calling with the aim of shoving (stop and go) is good.
What would you have done if you had missed/not connected with the flop?
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nice points rob , i was going to comment after finishing my chinese takeaway on why the raise sizes are best lowered when the blinds are high/big in relation to stack sizes.. most decent mtt players adopt this strategy of 2.2x to 2.8x raise sizes now..although if your table is full of inexperienced players who call to much and dont seem aware of what of there stack size or others means in terms of play then by all means raise more than std..
total gambler has a Daniel Negreanu article which explains some of these concepts [not all,but is a nice read]
http://www.totalgambler.com/pokerlife/pokerfeatures/8674/daniel_negreanus_small_ball_masterclass.html
oh and well done John Higgins - gr8 snooker player
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