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check raise or check jam?
Marty719:
I 100% lead the flop in this spot and try and mix up sum dry leads in as well. I think c/c is a bad play in this spot as there are too many action killers on the turn. What if the turn comes the Qc, then he is shutting down most hands. I either lead 6k or c/r to 18k and try and get it in against k-x.
mal666:
--- Quote from: AMRN on May 05, 2009, 15:40:02 PM ---
lol i never said i favoured it in this spot - my original response was "you only ask about raising or jamming - what about flat calling, then leading the turn?" My point was the OP limited the question to two options, whilst there are surely more.
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Yeah sure there`s more, but if you like money id limit it to these two.
Marty719:
Surely check-jamming is just an awful play then if ur trying to maximise $$ as, tho u will get max value wen u do get called and have the best hand, the % of time u get called lowers by a massive amount!! U r really relying on villain having AK and viewing ur overbet as v weak!! I think if ur aiming to maximise EV in the hand then u have to lead out and hope ur opponent tries to protect his K-x rather than c/r him, put him in defensive mode where he settles for c/c"n down and not stacking off.
deanp27:
in a way c/jam looks weaker (ie you have the draw) so you get called lighter. I prefer giving villain room and illusion of fold equity so that he makes a mistake personally but i think the difference is mostly villain dependant.
leading is ok in this spot and has become very much a standard play with a set OOP, donking and trying to encourage action - but it can be quite transparent to good players. Again the course of action will depend on the dynamics/history of the table and the villain.
Marty719:
I think in general u r getting called lighter w/ a lead than a check shove. It also totally eliminates air from your opponents hand. The lead/flat/check against an agg opponent is gng to get more value than the c/shove in the long term imo. I guess the c/shove is likely to look like a big combo draw - but then again - ur opponent mite decide not to flip against it. Even if they c/c after you lead, you can still get 3 healthy bets paid if the board comes blank blank. What do you think the opponents calling range is to the c/jam?
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