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Hero call thread
Mikeyboy9361:
Great read, great call.
CrizzyConnor:
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--- Quote from: CrizzyConnor on July 13, 2009, 11:22:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: undisputed on July 13, 2009, 10:41:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: mal666 on July 13, 2009, 08:49:58 AM ---
n1 :)
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Are these hero calls. . . . ..
They are ok in $10 games i guess, but could these calls made in the WSOP mE. . .i v.v. much doubt it ! !
Can we pls change it to Bad call Thread ! !
I would be v interedted in how many times you make these calls and get it WRONG. . . .
P.S. . . . please remind me never to try bluff either of you . . . . . . you are obv in the same category as kings cross, paddington, marlybone and the likes ! ! ! ! ! :D :D :D
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Could they be made in the WSOP? Of course, what"s the difference? I"d only ever be playing the WSOP ME if I could afford to or won my way in so def wouldn"t be playing scared - if you"re not going to trust your reads and call off 15% of your stack to potentially increase it by a lot more then you shouldn"t be playing poker imo. Yes you"re going to get it wrong sometimes when someone just flat out plays a hand weird but you have to trust your reads sometimes and if you"re wrong so be it.
On the subject of the difference between an $11 game and one of a much higher buy in, am I the only one who doesn"t see/feel a difference between the value of such games? Like once you"re money"s in the pot you"re not seeing it again unless you win or cash so why play any different or scared in a big tourney?
If i"m at your table anytime soon though, best not to bluff me (just incase I am just a deluded station after all) :D
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The difference ? ? ? ? they are BAD calls. . . .. and when the money is negligable, it doesn"t matter if you get them right or wrong ! ! ! !
Why not raise on the turn find out where you are in the hand ? ? By calling you never find out, you are not sure where you stand, and you don"t even try to find out???
hope you are on my table in Edinburgh. . . . i "ll make sure if u decide to call my bluff it"ll cost you dearly :-)
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I trust my reads but like I said before, I accept there are times when i"m wrong so why would I raise on the turn when he can easily ship it all in on a bluff and I then have no option but to fold. If I raise on the turn i"d have to raise it by around the 2,000 chips I called on the river, so why raise on the turn and commit the same amount of chips right there and risk being wrong when I do have some sort of showdown value to take to the river? Noticing a betting pattern such as him betting full pot-sized bets when he wanted to buy the pot going with it while also accepting that I could be wrong = just calling to lose the minimum in the event I am wrong, no?
Besides 5d th is the nuts, if you"re at my table in Edinburgh and i"ve got it - i"m paying you off ;)
undisputed:
--- Quote from: CrizzyConnor on July 13, 2009, 12:01:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: undisputed on July 13, 2009, 11:37:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: CrizzyConnor on July 13, 2009, 11:22:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: undisputed on July 13, 2009, 10:41:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: mal666 on July 13, 2009, 08:49:58 AM ---
n1 :)
--- End quote ---
Are these hero calls. . . . ..
They are ok in $10 games i guess, but could these calls made in the WSOP mE. . .i v.v. much doubt it ! !
Can we pls change it to Bad call Thread ! !
I would be v interedted in how many times you make these calls and get it WRONG. . . .
P.S. . . . please remind me never to try bluff either of you . . . . . . you are obv in the same category as kings cross, paddington, marlybone and the likes ! ! ! ! ! :D :D :D
--- End quote ---
Could they be made in the WSOP? Of course, what"s the difference? I"d only ever be playing the WSOP ME if I could afford to or won my way in so def wouldn"t be playing scared - if you"re not going to trust your reads and call off 15% of your stack to potentially increase it by a lot more then you shouldn"t be playing poker imo. Yes you"re going to get it wrong sometimes when someone just flat out plays a hand weird but you have to trust your reads sometimes and if you"re wrong so be it.
On the subject of the difference between an $11 game and one of a much higher buy in, am I the only one who doesn"t see/feel a difference between the value of such games? Like once you"re money"s in the pot you"re not seeing it again unless you win or cash so why play any different or scared in a big tourney?
If i"m at your table anytime soon though, best not to bluff me (just incase I am just a deluded station after all) :D
--- End quote ---
The difference ? ? ? ? they are BAD calls. . . .. and when the money is negligable, it doesn"t matter if you get them right or wrong ! ! ! !
Why not raise on the turn find out where you are in the hand ? ? By calling you never find out, you are not sure where you stand, and you don"t even try to find out???
hope you are on my table in Edinburgh. . . . i "ll make sure if u decide to call my bluff it"ll cost you dearly :-)
--- End quote ---
I trust my reads but like I said before, I accept there are times when i"m wrong so why would I raise on the turn when he can easily ship it all in on a bluff and I then have no option but to fold. If I raise on the turn i"d have to raise it by around the 2,000 chips I called on the river, so why raise on the turn and commit the same amount of chips right there and risk being wrong when I do have some sort of showdown value to take to the river? Noticing a betting pattern such as him betting full pot-sized bets when he wanted to buy the pot going with it while also accepting that I could be wrong = just calling to lose the minimum in the event I am wrong, no?
Besides 5d th is the nuts, if you"re at my table in Edinburgh and i"ve got it - i"m paying you off ;)
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Hey buddy. .. . we can all be wrong......
If you raise, say to 1950 on the turn he passes. . . . . risking 850 less, and also riskint the chance of being outdrawn with the 4th club. . . . . .
Downside is, if you are milking him you get 2000 less. . . . . :( :(
deanp27:
by raising the turn you are turning your hand into a bluff, cos you sure aren"t doing it for value. Calling is way better and raising to "find out where you are" would be pretty terrible imo.
played it fine. nh
undisputed:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on July 13, 2009, 13:09:25 PM ---
by raising the turn you are turning your hand into a bluff, cos you sure aren"t doing it for value. Calling is way better and raising to "find out where you are" would be pretty terrible imo.
played it fine. nh
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why ? ? how is it a bluff if you think you"re ahead ? ? ? surely you bluff with the worst hand not the best ? ?? ?
isn"t the idea of poker to bet with the best hand, and pass if you think you"re behind. . . .
"CALL". . . . just means, ok, i think i"m beat, but i"m just too dumb to fold imo. . . . . put is a perfect move for all stations that adopt this approach to poker. . . .
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