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treydj:
hey all, thanks for all the feedback.

there was a line of thought before i made the play.

i had been hammering this guy for a while, and thought at some stage he would get fed up and play back at me.
i felt that if he had a premium he would make a scary 4 bet, so by him just pushing i felt that a large portion of the time my aj is ahead of his pushing range.

main problem was that i considered myself to have an edge on the players and my calling the bet would mean me surrendering this and leaving it down to the cards falling.

In the end I called - i had played the previous hands with him to set up this exact move - aj was more than good enough - it was my chance to win the tournament outright.

(93980939), Table 250 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:25:39 ET - 2009/06/08
Seat 1: leebo438 (41,137)
Seat 2: GaIa86 (52,016)
Seat 3: SpeckVIP (14,000)
Seat 4: totalpants (28,446)
Seat 5: kinderchiu (42,604)
Seat 6: VANO777 (16,786)
leebo438 antes 125
GaIa86 antes 125
SpeckVIP antes 125
totalpants antes 125
kinderchiu antes 125
VANO777 antes 125
kinderchiu posts the small blind of 500
VANO777 posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to totalpants [Jc Ad]
leebo438 folds
GaIa86 folds
SpeckVIP folds
totalpants raises to 2,557
kinderchiu folds
VANO777 raises to 16,661, and is all in
totalpants calls 14,104
VANO777 shows [9h Th]
totalpants shows [Jc Ad]
*** FLOP *** [3h 8h 3s]
*** TURN *** [3h 8h 3s] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [3h 8h 3s 9c] [4c]
VANO777 shows two pair, Nines and Threes
totalpants shows a pair of Threes
VANO777 wins the pot (34,572) with two pair, Nines and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 34,572 | Rake 0
Board: [3h 8h 3s 9c 4c]
Seat 1: leebo438 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: GaIa86 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: SpeckVIP folded before the Flop
Seat 4: totalpants (button) showed [Jc Ad] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 5: kinderchiu (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: VANO777 (big blind) showed [9h Th] and won (34,572) with two pair, Nines and Threes


pffffffff lol

AMRN:
ignoring the results just posted for a minute, and considering the previous questions on ranges.... it got me thinking about what I would do if I was the big blind against an apparent serial raiser on the button..... and my range would be a lot wider than AJo.

At a minimum it would be any pair and any ace, plus KQ/KJ. If you run that through Pokerstove, AJo has 56% equity - therefore if we have read the range correctly, it"s a correct call. Given that you would have 12xBB left if you called and lost, it comes into the realm of "auto call".

My initial thought was that I would fold - but looking at stats against range, folding here would be weak.

Call. Crap outcome though, but correct play.

deanp27:
don"t worry about edge, your edge at later stages of touraments comes from having situations like this and making the correct call by looking at position and assigning ranges, you rarely get to play more than one or 2 streets post flop so you don"t get chance to "outplay" anyone.

good call, just ride the variance train that is tourament poker

mal666:
you just cant pass +ev spots like this

Eck:
oh you lost, then its a pass then obv  :o

Also can someone explain what this "edge" is that we keep saying we have?

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