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Live deepstack - Queens in early 3bet pot
Chipaccrual:
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--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 02, 2009, 15:15:04 PM ---
I think I have the best hand here, but am not prepared to go to war this early with stacks so deep. I"m flatting and using position for the rest of the hand. If seat 2 comes back over the top then I have an easy fold.
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Nearly with this, but I raise pre, and then go along with the rest.
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I agree with Dan on this one.
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on November 02, 2009, 15:48:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: kinboshi on November 02, 2009, 15:42:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 02, 2009, 15:15:04 PM ---
I think I have the best hand here, but am not prepared to go to war this early with stacks so deep. I"m flatting and using position for the rest of the hand. If seat 2 comes back over the top then I have an easy fold.
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Nearly with this, but I raise pre, and then go along with the rest.
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I agree with Dan on this one.
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I"ve changed my mind then.
Flat call pre instead, no idea why, but it"s different to what Leigh would do.
deanp27:
range of answers so far - anyone want to assign possible ranges and plan etc if they do flat? how would you play the other hands i posted?
i know this is a bit tougher than the normal hand analysis post but i think these type of spots are quite interesting
AMRN:
The way you describe seat2, he could have any two cards - and QQ smashes most of his range.
Given the animosity from seat4 to seat2 as you described, seat4 could be 3-bettng a very wide range here.
Flat calling with QQ is a mistake - you need more info before you play a flop. Couple that with the fact that QQ is the third best starting hand, and is most probably ahead here, you have to re-raise.
If seat2 shoves, I think a call is reasonable. If seat4 shoves, I suspect AA/KK and I fold.
If both or either flat call, I"m ready to get my stack in if the flop shows no K or A.
Any K or A on the flop after their flat call, and I open or raise in position to see what happens.
Swinebag:
I"d need to see a flop before a plan of action and would see what oppo does first.
I"d also flat with AA,KK and AK as part of a balanced strategy. I"m probably folding the rest though
Hand ranges are difficult to assign.
seat 2 may be tighter having shown A8 UTG (so go for top 20%)
seat 5 may be looser than expected for a MP 3 bettor.
I suppose the 4 bet would narrow these ranges but it seems bad to 4 bet/fold having put in 20% of your stack in. What would we do if called then check raised on a low card flop?
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