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AMRN:
Wow only just caught up with the forum since the weekend. Top result for the rankings Brian!! And also to Tod for the win. Congratz both.
BCPC FTW!!
Jon MW:
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...Anyone who routinely calls to seventh street without being 100% certain they are ahead will be a consistantly be a loser.
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The problem I think Leigh was alluding to was that when you have 3 or 4 players who will routinely call to 7th then it becomes a game of just catching the cards until those players bust out. A made hand against a draw is a standard stud scenario but a made hand against 2 or 3 players, or a draw against 2 or 3 players favours them rather than you - however well you are playing.
They will bust out - 2 or 3 players against the rest of the table will favour the rest of the table - but you won"t necessarily be one of the players to benefit. You"re just as likely to be knocked out - that"s why the number of calling stations can be so frustrating.
--- Quote from: monkeyman on December 14, 2009, 20:24:06 PM ---
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8) If you get to 7th street and you"re not certain you are ahead, I would strongly advocate folding to any bet unless you"ve convinced your opponent is a complete villain or trying to represent a hand you know he can"t have. If you routinely call "just in case" you may occasionally be pleasantly surprised, but this will be more than outweighed than the occasions when you really are behind.
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That"s just wrong - you shouldn"t get to 7th in that situation, if you get to 7th you should almost always call.
monkeyman:
--- Quote from: monkeyman on December 14, 2009, 20:24:06 PM ---
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8) If you get to 7th street and you"re not certain you are ahead, I would strongly advocate folding to any bet unless you"ve convinced your opponent is a complete villain or trying to represent a hand you know he can"t have. If you routinely call "just in case" you may occasionally be pleasantly surprised, but this will be more than outweighed than the occasions when you really are behind.
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That"s just wrong - you shouldn"t get to 7th in that situation, if you get to 7th you should almost always call.
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You"re right in suggesting that you really shouldn"t get as far as 7th street without knowing where you stand but it happens. On the face of it, folding on 7th street appears strange as you"re almost always going to have pot odds, but to say making the call is always the right play regardless ignores all the thought processes that could possibly lead to a hand getting that far. Ultimately what I"m trying to suggest is that anyone who gets to 7th street without being certain they are ahead is highly likely to be behind. By calling "just in case" the amount you may pick up is considerably outweighed by losing that final bet all the times you are behind.
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