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Waz1892:
My two pence worth.....i have a 50% win rate on the click fest.the other was my faut in that i was unaware of the Ctr F5 "secret".
What would be the issue with doing a draw for the seats instead of the clickfest. By simply putting in a few rules it could be worked out to be the fairest ways.
Say there is 80 seats available...At 9pm you "apply" to register for the event
APAT draw 1st 80 names.....Bulk e-mail..saying well done..pay link
YOU HAVE 24HRS TO PAY IN FULL VIA THE LINK..
In the initial draw of 80 players...APAT actually draw another (20/30/40..etc)
After the 24hrs, APAT contact the next 20/30/40 on the list, well done 24hr pay link.
Any not filled...can be used through the already existing reserve list...
Randon Draw...Equal for everyone
Roughly same timescale as Clickfest, at least no rela harm done time wise
More possible seats for those who make the effort for the reserve list on the day
Your thoughts....
Jon MW:
You could go the whole year without getting a seat - but with a clickfest you won"t.
It would create a lot of extra work and bureaucracy for very little benefit, plus ill feeling from those who continually miss out and were always able to get a seat through the clickfest method.
Waz1892:
agree it isn"t perfect...but it would be totally fair...100% to all people..and dependant on if you live in a dodgy area, no broadband. old Pc..etc..etc..
APAT should be available to all members for all the APAT tournaments regardless of location or RAM budget, Broadband connection....a draw is the only way I can think of that will allow this.
The odds (come on stat people) that you"d not get a seat for the whole year, i"m guess wouldn"t happen?..at the very least, with the people with connection issues, it 100% improves your chances..
A tricky one. and I suppose the clickfest works, makes life for the APAT a whole lot easier..so if it aint broke...
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on October 11, 2007, 19:57:29 PM ---
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The odds (come on stat people) that you"d not get a seat for the whole year, i"m guess wouldn"t happen?..
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Say 1600 applications for 200 places.
Chances of not getting in 1: 87.5%
Chances of not getting in 2: 76.6%
Chances of not getting in 3: 67.0%
Chances of not getting in 4: 58.6%
Chances of not getting in 5: 51.3%
Chances of not getting in 6: 44.9%
Chances of not getting in 7: 39.3%
Chances of not getting in 8: 34.4%
So about 1 in 3 chance of never getting a seat, that"s better than a coinflip but it"s not very good - and that"s assuming you can make every event.
I was only able to make 3 events in the first season - so that would mean a 2 in 3 chance of not being able to get in to any of the 3 I was able to get to.
APAT:
It"s a fair suggestion but incredibly difficult to administer. I am basing that on the experience of doing this at least twice - we trialled lots of entry methods in season one.
An example. You sell 80 seats and give everyone 24 hours to pay. 20 won"t. Major remail to the reserves (2nd list). 10 don"t respond. So you send 10 seats to the next reserve list (3rd list). 2 people come back from the original list. 1 claims the APAT email has only arrived with them. The other claims they responded in plenty of time and they have bought their flight. It"s APAT's fault for not receiving their response. Meanwhile, 2 people come back from the 2nd list claiming they were only a few hours late in responding, and stating how unreasonable APAT is. And on.
In this scenario APAT would go from disappointing people to seriously annoying them. Not good.
Bizarelly, the beneficiaries would be those who turned up at the venue, because it is nearly impossible to fill a tournament utilising this form of system and without seriously alienating your customers.
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