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APAT Over Subscribed ! Whats the answer ?
cabbie007:
Hi All and The Top Brass Of APAT,
I am new to APAT which seems to be a very strong brand with growing members. Blue Square on board with Grosvenor Casinos, so to solve the Nationals being over subscribed a new deal needs to be proposed.
I am sure if APAT approched a number of TV companys or even the present TV company which covers this years first Grosvenor UK Poker Tour sponsored by Blue Square more could be done for APAT members.
With TV backing Grosvenor Casinos would give more floor space and more days for the Nationals for all members to play. This would put APAT on the map in the UK as the only Amateur Poker Association for budding poker players to start there path to glory.
Its upseting for members not to be able to play in the Nationals ! Do you really think I am gonna go to Walsall from London to queue in the reserve list to be told sorry no room ! I propose the following:
1) Regionals - Players should have the choice take your seat in the Nationals or the money instead. Not all members want to play arround the country
2) Membership - All members issued with membership cards, you have to become a member first BEFORE you play. Turning up at a Regionals and playing on the day should be stopped, why because at some venues some people entered for fun as there were just in the casino at the time. This is an Apat event not come all, there not interested in Apat just playing that day.
3) Nationals - NO CLICK FEST ! Current Members pre-register over a 24 Hour period then Apat deduct payments. Maybe for the casinos to give up more room for more players £75 buy-in and £25 to casino = £100. 500 players = £12,500 to casino I am sure this would help them accomadate more players. These events would grow and grow boosting Apat as a Major force in UK Poker, more players to play everyone is happy.
Apat any thoughts ?
Members any more ideas ?
Kind Regards To all
Cabbie007
kinboshi:
I don"t speak officially for APAT, and my response is my own personal thoughts and opinions:
--- Quote from: cabbie007 on October 10, 2007, 09:49:46 AM ---
Hi All and The Top Brass Of APAT,
I am new to APAT which seems to be a very strong brand with growing members. Blue Square on board with Grosvenor Casinos, so to solve the Nationals being over subscribed a new deal needs to be proposed.
I am sure if APAT approched a number of TV companys or even the present TV company which covers this years first Grosvenor UK Poker Tour sponsored by Blue Square more could be done for APAT members.
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Who would pay for the TV coverage? The GUKPT has a LOT more money in the pool - it"s £1,000 a seat! There"s also juice for the casino to come out of the buy-in, not so in APAT.
--- Quote ---With TV backing Grosvenor Casinos would give more floor space and more days for the Nationals for all members to play. This would put APAT on the map in the UK as the only Amateur Poker Association for budding poker players to start there path to glory.
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The casinos are usually full to capacity for the National events.
--- Quote ---Its upseting for members not to be able to play in the Nationals ! Do you really think I am gonna go to Walsall from London to queue in the reserve list to be told sorry no room !
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Others do.
--- Quote ---I propose the following:
1) Regionals - Players should have the choice take your seat in the Nationals or the money instead. Not all members want to play arround the country
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That"s exactly how it is at the moment, isn"t it?
--- Quote ---2) Membership - All members issued with membership cards, you have to become a member first BEFORE you play. Turning up at a Regionals and playing on the day should be stopped, why because at some venues some people entered for fun as there were just in the casino at the time. This is an Apat event not come all, there not interested in Apat just playing that day.
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As far as I"m aware, part of the deal that secured the venues and the added value from Rank (Grosvenor and BlueSQ) was that anyone who played in an APAT event online or live would automatically become an APAT member.
I"m not 100% happy with the way it"s worked out, but you can"t please everyone 100% all the time. Des has struck a cracking deal that means there"s twice as much added value as Season 1. That can"t be all bad, can it?
--- Quote ---3) Nationals - NO CLICK FEST ! Current Members pre-register over a 24 Hour period then Apat deduct payments.
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I"ve covered this on another thread. How do you deal with 500 people wanting to play in a 200-capacity casino?
--- Quote ---Maybe for the casinos to give up more room for more players £75 buy-in and £25 to casino = £100. 500 players = £12,500 to casino I am sure this would help them accomadate more players.
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That would certainly help to cut the numbers adding 33% juice on the tournament buy-in. There"d be plenty of free seats then!
--- Quote ---These events would grow and grow boosting Apat as a Major force in UK Poker, more players to play everyone is happy.
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APAT is becoming a major force in UK poker, and it will continue to grow. For an organisation that has been running for a little over 12 months, it"s made quite a splash, hasn"t it?
--- Quote ---Apat any thoughts ?
Members any more ideas ?
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I don"t think the regionals are running as APAT would like yet - but that"s expected, and why the first ones were kept low-key. They were really trial runs.
There are also the other events (Pro-Am, inter-forum tournaments, internationals, etc.) to look forward to this year.
Like I said, that"s just my personal thoughts. Des will probably answer in more detail and correct me where I"m wrong.
Jon MW:
One point I"d address is that of additional day ones.
Although I think this is appropriate for the European/World (i.e. higher status) tournaments, it isn"t for every tournament.
The reason being is that as APAt is aimed at amateur players, 2 day ones virtually requires people to take time off work. If this was the norm rather than the exception it would penalise those players who have limited opportunity to pick and choose when to take time off.
It is because of this that the limit of casino"s card rooms effectively becomes the limit of the National event being held there - so any added incentive for the casinos isn"t required as it will make no difference to the capacity.
GiMac:
here"s my humble 2 peneth worth.
1) No. This choice shouldnt be given. The whole point of the regionals is so that people have a live opportunity to qualify for national events and not just an online satellite opportunity. If some people decide they want to play just for the cash this changes how they may play. i.e. we generally play satellite tournaments differently to normal tournaments.
2) I agree here, however I understand that as part of the sponsorship deal this cannot now be implemented. So we have our bed and will have to lie in it.
3) Personally I wouldnt play in ANY tournament where the juice was 33% of the buy-in. This would completely negate the added value, which APAT have managed to do so well in negotiating with the sponsors. I think the fact that the events are oversubscribed in turn gives higher status to the events themselves and they feel far more important to those that manage to get a seat.
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: GiMac on October 10, 2007, 12:11:10 PM ---
here"s my humble 2 peneth worth.
1) No. This choice shouldnt be given. The whole point of the regionals is so that people have a live opportunity to qualify for national events and not just an online satellite opportunity. If some people decide they want to play just for the cash this changes how they may play. i.e. we generally play satellite tournaments differently to normal tournaments.
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If a player has to drop out due to illness or a family bereavement, they"d get a refund - wouldn"t they?
Other players will take their seats, so no one loses out. The prize pool is maintained, and someone who wants the seat gets it. Yes, it would be annoying for those who bubbled in the regionals to see that they would have had a seat if someone who placed doesn"t take up the offer of the seat - but there"s no way round it really.
Maybe there is a partial solution. Those that don"t take up the seat only get a partial refund. Maybe £50, with the £25 taken as an admin fee. Although this would be harsh for those who have a legitimate reason for not being able to attend.
More ideas to discuss I guess...
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