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How did i play this?
noble1:
--- Quote ---Tends to bet the flop and quickly close down if he gets action.
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--- Quote ---This guy definitely cannot lay a hand down.
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--- Quote ---Turn comes another 6. He checks, I check back. River is a 5. He checks again. I feel he has something, perhaps a ragged queen (given his prev trash hands) or perhaps a pocket pair 77-1010. I decide to bet out 1400 into the 3000ish pot, and he snap calls. I show 99...
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I dont mind your play pre and on the flop although the reraise i"d make to 1600 to 1700..The turn check is the mistake,this is where your logic has flaws imho , see the 1st two quotes , you have a read that he closes down and folds to action.
His small cbet and checking the turn on this board pretty much says pot control, this situation with your reads if you had reraised slightly more on the flop then it would set up a pot size big enough for a turn all in , all this guff that u read on forums and books that u should not bluff stations is WRONG , u can bluff them but it takes extreme aggression. You say your image is ok which makes the story u tell in your post flop actions more credible , i only stop doing this against players if they have seen me get caught bluffing , then this line of play is redundant as they will be more willing to call light and make the hero calls..
Your check on the turn and the small reraise flop compound the problem on the river as now when he checks [and his stack size] means pretty much any bet u make barring a overbet shove he can call with impunity.. So as played check river...
I would not over use this line above, but simply playing ABC poker in a tag style against the loose call types can get u into all sorts of iffy situations, the AA u play is a classic TAG mistake and that 2nd 8 on the turn and his sudden exhuberance all equals fold , the turn is bet/fold or check/fold a big SIGH and a mumble of donk under your breath.
The raise u make oop is to small imo [against these types] with 2 limpers 4x is to small , 5x at least but considering your position then charge them a little more , 6x would be ok imo ...
shozboy1:
My thinking behind the AA hand was that I had to maximise the hand and double up. With 2 limpers, one of whom was weak and the other limping in with all kinds of trash, I felt a bigger raise would have scared off exactly the hands I wanted to come along for the ride. I want a Q8 call all day from the villain. I knew he"d try and steal so I checked the flop to him and he obliged. I checked again on the turn (my hand is well disguised, and he may have put me on AK/AQ logically here), so I didn"t love my call of his all in, but the way I"d played the hand - because he couldn"t put me on AA - I felt it would"ve been too weak to fold. He could"ve had a very wide range here. Pocket pairs - big/med/small/bluffs he feel he can get away with given my check on flop and turn.
I guess my thinking is with my average stack, i need to take the small risk of being outdrawn with AA and go for a double up. If so, I"d have been well placed to push on
noble1:
making it 4x there with 2 limpers is ok ish in position , my point is you are out of position [oop]..
I think you make a mistake in thinking that villain is putting u on AK etc , from what u describe i"d say he is fairly straight forward post flop [like most average players] he only starts getting strong in his actions when he has a hand , therefore the 8 on the turn is a fairly easy fold..
Yes u want worse hands to call but not cbetting the flop is a mistake imo , 1 pair is not a monster oop.. Again the way villain plays Ten Ten in the previous hand does not suggest he is bluffing here , so i cannot see why u"d think along those lines [the range u put him on?] on a 8528 board ??
Marty719:
What was ur stack in the AA hand?
shozboy1:
I think if I remember rightly I had about 25-30BBs
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