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Jon MW:

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--- Quote from: Plastikman on October 12, 2007, 11:38:10 AM ---
Well done to the winner. Came 7th

It was a fun tournament to play in, but wouldnt have been as fun if i had work the next day. Next time out maybe make it 3k starting chips?

Maybe make it 20$ as well?

GG everyone

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Seconded.  ;D
8)

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Also why don"t we keep it 5k starting chips, and change it to just Saturday? ;)


rivertaff:
Not everyone who wants to play can make Saturdays (like me) , or for some make Thursdays. Having both tourneys gives members a chance to play.

The tourneys should be shortened by way of shorter blinds or smaller starting stack.

Jon MW:

--- Quote from: rivertaff on October 17, 2007, 00:14:23 AM ---
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The tourneys should be shortened by way of shorter blinds or smaller starting stack.

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So make it a worse tournament - more of a crapshoot - more like every other tournament, in which case, what would be the point?

Swinebag:
agree with this.

As much as I"d like the online tourneys to finish earlier myself, I also understand that APAT is about deepstacked tourneys allowing for more creative play. Its too bad for me and for others, but I"ll just deal with it.

If the turnouts had been small then maybe it could be an issue for consideration. 200 isn"t a bad turn out IMO.

If 200 is a poor turnout (IOPO) and less chips/smaller blinds results in 1000 runners, how much quicker would the tourney really play out?

rivertaff:
i appreciate and understand what you are saying, and i can deal with a 3 a.m. finish even an 8 a.m. finish, but how many can. It is an amature association so most players will have work to go to a few hours later.

As the snowball known as APAT continues to grow 230 players could well be regarded as a low turn out in months to come. A max of 800 players are allowed. What time finish for 400 players or 600 players under the current structure - or will the structure itself control the number of players because members will not enter because of the length of the tourney.

If so, can this be right? The structure controlling the members, and not the members contolling the structure.

You can only control the length of a tourney by way of buy-in, number of players, length of blinds and starting chips.

Increasing the cost of buy-in is unfair to those that want to but can"t afford to ($20 seems to be fair to me)

Drastically reducing the max number of players ends up with another "clickfest" which we all hate.

Would 3,000 chips really be that painful? Cream will always float to the top whether it be 3,000 or 5,000 chips.

Would 12 min blinds instead of 15 mins really lead to a "crapsoot". I don"t think so.

The more hurdles that you put in the way of a member taking part, the less interested a member will become, and you will end up with a small elite group of people left - a private members club rather than an association.

Deepstacks and long blinds work well for live events because of the constraints laid down by lack of table space at casinos.

What would happen if everyone who took part in the clickfest a couple of weeks ago could get a seat - the tourney would take 3 or 4 days, and how many would then be able to take part? The constraints of the casinos will not last for ever - what will we do then.

The structure is not the most important thing in the APAT (IMHO), the member is, and their active participation should be encouraged and made as easy as possible.

This will lead to a happy and active community, which I am sure we all want.

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