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Bomb out....how would others approach?
Sugarnes:
Been mulling over last nights bomb out of a tournament. Its not an unusual situation to find yourself in so interested in people"s thoughts/approaches.
Late on in a $162 tourney on stars (above my usual bankroll - entered sat with a view to bank T$s but it took longer than expected & I ended up in it!).
500ish start - 73 left - 63 get paid. Av. Stack >20k. Blinds 500/1000/(120?)
Just quitening down from middling stages where people were very willing to get there money in for a likely race. 1 raise taking a lot of pots and re-raises taking most uncontested. The villian of the piece was playing reasonably solid had got lucky AJ >> AQ and then won a race with 99 calling an all-in a few rounds back but had been quiet of late. I"d nicked a couple more pots pre-flop perhaps but certainly wasn"t giving off a loose image. BB had been up & down quite a bit but had shut down recently I"m leaning on him trying to sit out the bubble unless he picks up a premium hand. SB nothing major to note other than a bit of willingnesss to call a raise from the blinds more than most were at this point (raise or fold largely the standard).
We"re 7/8 handed:
UTG+1 19k Villian
Button 16k Moi
SB 35k
BB 11k
UTG+1 raises 2.3k - folds to me.
I pick up AcQc and re-raise to 5.1k. Blinds fold.
Villian goes into the tank for a while then shoves.
I do similar then call, small chance he is on a bluff or A10, AJ but most likely is we"re racing.
He turns over 8c8s. Flop comes down 857 no clubs and I"m virtually drawing dead.
I lost a race and you gotta win them to take one of these down there you go - but not feeling great about my play - could/should I have played it better?
Some of my musing:
Weird to say but I can fold straight up - with bubble approaching raising an unopened pot with rags is often a better spot. Just felt too passive and in some ways would have felt like accepting crawling over the bubble and giving up on going deep.
I can call initial raise in position - slightly worried about people behind re-popping, conscious that I cant call a c-bet on a lot of flops and even if I hit there"s often little more coinage to be had.
I can shove rather than re-raise - people may have played this totally different in many ways but I cant find good reason not to do this - plenty of arguments against shoving 17bb nearing bubble but ultimately if I"m calling a shove why not get it in there first?
And of course I can fold to the shove.
Interested in people"s views.......
Marty719:
Def a tricky spot!! What do u think villains raising range is from utg+1 at this stage? If he is raising AJ, A10, KQ, type hands then I think 3-bet shoving is prob the best option. If his range is substancially tighter than tht, then you mite be able to find a fold. Flatting and playing a pot in position seems tempting, but never really wana b flatting with 16x.
The only prob w/ the way u played it is if villain flats, then ur commited to shoving nearly all flops!
How long was left until the next level?
I prob 3-bet shove a lot in this spot w/ good f/e.
AMRN:
difficult one, and I think your action can vary dependant on your desired outcome.
Given that you didn"t intend to play this, and had planned to take the T$, I suspect that a min cash would probably suit your initial intentions, and folding here to limp over the bubble would be ok.
If you aren"t bothered about the small return, then AQs is a hand that you definitely don"t want to be folding here. I think though that given your read about the villain being reasonably solid, you have to give him respect for some semblance of a hand having raised UTG, and there probably isn"t much in his range that AQ is beating - so you either accept that you are raising, or that you are dominated. Personally I don"t want to be shipping 17xBB when I have somewhere between 20% and 50% chance of winning. However, he may of course fold the better hand to a 17xBB shove...... so, don"t like your raise as you give him the opportunity to shove - would much prefer to put the pressure on him with the shove myself, especially since you are prepared to put your stack in anyway.
With all that indecision, I would probably flat call here and play the flop in position, and would be prepared to fold to a c-bet if I missed completely (as was the case in your example).
noble1:
with only 10 left to the money i"d prefer to fold this and get ITM then race..
As played although AQs looks pretty , against [with your read] a solid player with a stack less than 20bb raising utg1 i think your lucky to meet the bottom of his range here.If he is a competent player then no matter how you play it [3bet or shove] i dont think you have any fold equity at all.
The 3bet near min raise is a bad idea because if he flats then shoves the flop [70% of which you miss] puts you in a quandry unless as stated u intend to call , plus we could argue the raise with your stack size sort of signaled to him your hand strength [would most players play AA KK etc like this?]
If your image to him was super nit then the only way imo u would achieve any sort of FE would be to shove but the way u describe villain then this is slim..
Marty719:
Thus, therefore u have 1 shove, 1 call and one fold :) easy game :)
Edit: Does he call a shove for his entire stack w/ 88? I def think we have some f/e.
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