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treydj:
Hi all

I"ll do this bit by bit and see what responses I get  :P

55 players left - top 50 get paid. only a £10 tourney so 50th paid about £25.

6 handed tables.

Blinds are 500/1000 - very fast structure as chip leader is around 40k

I am UTG with 15500 and am dealt ATs.

all players at the table haven"t really got out of line - SB is second in chips with 35k - BB has around 18k

a) raise to 2.5 BB (my standard)
b) shove
c) call
d) fold

thanks

Jas

WYoung83:
Way to many variables to give a straight answer here.

Depends on how many chips the other players behind have got, especially the BB. Also depends on your own image (what do others think about you) just noticed you have actually posted the BB chip counts sorry...lol.

Im gonna actually answer none of the above. Small ball raises (2.5 x bb) are not right in this situation, limping is actually worse than folding, and im never folding A-10s at a six handed table anyway. You need to manipulate your own pot odds incase someone shoves over the top of you, and to do this i think more healthy raises are best late on. The problem with raising only 2.5x the BB is the pot odds that you are giving the BB to call, you dont really mind him calling when he is oop anyway, but it doesnt give you much info about his hand. I think i would like to raise 4x bb here and hope to take it down. trouble is if the biggerstack shoves, you are left with a Marginal hand getting only 1.7-1 for a show down, and if you now fold you are left with just 11000 left in your stack.

Tough spot maybe see what Noble1 says.

duke3016:
Shove -- but that"s just me  ;D

treydj:
well........

I raised 2.5 x - never folding to a shove six handed with my stack.

the big stack in the SB flatted - which I think is terrible but alarm bells were ringing all the same.

at this moment i put him on pocket pairs 6"s + and AT +.

i felt if he had anything like JJ or better or AK he would reraise pre.

flop came  ah  9d  kd

He checked - i have no hearts or diamonds in my hand

now what?

WYoung83:
 Because you raised so small preflop for me now its actually hard to narrow his range, he could of called your bet with a weaker Ace. (hes probably gonna repop with better aces than A-10 or a pair like you say) The board is scary, could he have called your raise with a Q10/ jQ/ J10 or 89dd. lots of straighty broadway and pair/ flushy combos here.

Im assuming the BB folded? But if you had raised bigger preflop, and he had still called, you should feel more comfortable getting it all in now because you have manupilated your pot odds.

the pot is now 6k and he has you covered, you have 13k left. This may seem strange and i know people are gonna laugh at me here, but i would personally proceed with caution and check like a little girl. If he has some sort of combo draw, then he may be willing to gamble and check raise you all in, which puts you in a tough spot because a C-bet would be about 4-5k?? You havent got enough behind to fold. By checking you do two things, keep the pot small by saving a bet, and if a brick comes on the turn, you have now shown weakness so he may fire at it with a worse hand than yours, for instance a KQ or smaller Ace, which then you can get it all in on the turn.
If a card comes to complete any of the draws (and there is a lot of scary turn cards that can come down) then you have to go with you instincts. (at least you have position).

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