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so called 'donk bets'
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: WYoung83 on January 28, 2010, 18:00:39 PM ---
Like i said the other day on here, this "donk lead" is fast becomming part of the meta game strategy, and im not to sure weather it should be called a "donk" play anymore.
It deffo is a weird line for anyone to take, If he had a set of 9s or 3s for example, surely he would rather go for the check raise. The Donk lead is defently not a play that i ever do, but i see it all the time during cash games, when i repop they usually insta fold and i take a note on them about this. But in tourneys its much harder for you to repop because your AK now becomes a bluff with 1/2 your stack on the line.
On a side note i also consider AK a much tougher hand to play during tourneys than in cash games. In cash games with 100BBs or less, then im willing to get it in pre flop, because if a opponent has QQ then you want to see all 5 cards . but early on during a tourney, if you have around 150-200 BBs then this is a bit spewy and most of the time your at the wrong end of a flip and heading to the cash tables.
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90% of leads are donk leads. FACT
shozboy1:
So what would you have done in this hand? Raised?
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: shozboy1 on January 29, 2010, 15:37:34 PM ---
So what would you have done in this hand? Raised?
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Against an unknown I will tend to just fold. I would take Steve"s line this early and just flat
TheSnapper:
The key element to this hand is stack size, starting stack in these events is 3000 chips. Thats 150 bb"s deep, AK has a completely different relevent value in this spot compared to say 20 bb"s when its a monster. Also, Rizen has considerable edge over the field, which is a factor, a bad spot for him may be as good as it gets for mere mortals.
Regarding AK in a 100 bb cash scenario, as is often the case, it depends. AK has lots of equity against most 3 bet ranges but the lower the stakes the tighter the 4 bet ranges become and thats when AK loses value ( history may widen ranges but only slightly ). Versus a tight 4 bet range of QQ+, AQs+, AKo, AK has only 43% equity and very little in the way of fold equity.
The thing is though, without AK, your 4 bet / all in preflop range is unbalanced and exploitable. So taking slightly the worst of it on occasion has to be evaluated in conjunction with the action it induces at the top of your range.
Marty719:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on January 29, 2010, 16:53:11 PM ---
The key element to this hand is stack size, starting stack in these events is 3000 chips. Thats 150 bb"s deep, AK has a completely different relevent value in this spot compared to say 20 bb"s when its a monster. Also, Rizen has considerable edge over the field, which is a factor, a bad spot for him may be as good as it gets for mere mortals.
Regarding AK in a 100 bb cash scenario, as is often the case, it depends. AK has lots of equity against most 3 bet ranges but the lower the stakes the tighter the 4 bet ranges become and thats when AK loses value ( history may widen ranges but only slightly ). Versus a tight 4 bet range of QQ+, AQs+, AKo, AK has only 43% equity and very little in the way of fold equity.
The thing is though, without AK, your 4 bet / all in preflop range is unbalanced and exploitable. So taking slightly the worst of it on occasion has to be evaluated in conjunction with the action it induces at the top of your range.
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