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Waz1892:
Firstly it is a shame that the bigger clubs are getting a little bad press over the numbers they do get. I can only speak with our club (Luton) but we manage to get high numbers through good networking within our club, and some hard work put in at the start in recruiting (Maybe sometimes a little too eager! ::)) But my point is, we have done nothing different that other clubs could do? ???
Anyhoooo...
The points player ratio is a good idea, but was mentioned before maybe distracts from APAT obtaining newer players, promoting its brand through the online league.
And, again as before, it could detract from clubs signing up new players.
So my 2p..
To have a squad of players in each club but have a maximum of XX per club actually playing the matchday.
A) Each club could have numerous members - making sure APAT grows
B) No club with smaller members are "punished" for a lack of numbers.
It could be up to the captain to select that weeks palyers, or could be done on a rotation basis..or APAT could enforce that all players must play at least 5 games...etc....
Just thoughts running through my head....and now putting it out there....i"m sure I havent thought of all angles and this certainly hasn"t been fully thought out yet! :)
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on November 18, 2010, 19:56:47 PM ---
Firstly it is a shame that the bigger clubs are getting a little bad press over the numbers they do get. I can only speak with our club (Luton) but we manage to get high numbers through good networking within our club, and some hard work put in at the start in recruiting (Maybe sometimes a little too eager! ::)) But my point is, we have done nothing different that other clubs could do? ???
Anyhoooo...
The points player ratio is a good idea, but was mentioned before maybe distracts from APAT obtaining newer players, promoting its brand through the online league.
And, again as before, it could detract from clubs signing up new players.
So my 2p..
To have a squad of players in each club but have a maximum of XX per club actually playing the matchday.
A) Each club could have numerous members - making sure APAT grows
B) No club with smaller members are "punished" for a lack of numbers.
It could be up to the captain to select that weeks palyers, or could be done on a rotation basis..or APAT could enforce that all players must play at least 5 games...etc....
Just thoughts running through my head....and now putting it out there....i"m sure I havent thought of all angles and this certainly hasn"t been fully thought out yet! :)
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Some nice ideas in there.
I don"t see it as the bigger clubs getting bad press at all tbh and GL to you, as I"ve said many times your trojan efforts at recruiting deserve some reward and should carry some advantage. Currrently that advantage is insurmountable for some teams.
Foggy:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on November 18, 2010, 23:27:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on November 18, 2010, 19:56:47 PM ---
Firstly it is a shame that the bigger clubs are getting a little bad press over the numbers they do get. I can only speak with our club (Luton) but we manage to get high numbers through good networking within our club, and some hard work put in at the start in recruiting (Maybe sometimes a little too eager! ::)) But my point is, we have done nothing different that other clubs could do? ???
Anyhoooo...
The points player ratio is a good idea, but was mentioned before maybe distracts from APAT obtaining newer players, promoting its brand through the online league.
And, again as before, it could detract from clubs signing up new players.
So my 2p..
To have a squad of players in each club but have a maximum of XX per club actually playing the matchday.
A) Each club could have numerous members - making sure APAT grows
B) No club with smaller members are "punished" for a lack of numbers.
It could be up to the captain to select that weeks palyers, or could be done on a rotation basis..or APAT could enforce that all players must play at least 5 games...etc....
Just thoughts running through my head....and now putting it out there....i"m sure I havent thought of all angles and this certainly hasn"t been fully thought out yet! :)
--- End quote ---
Some nice ideas in there.
I don"t see it as the bigger clubs getting bad press at all tbh and GL to you, as I"ve said many times your trojan efforts at recruiting deserve some reward and should carry some advantage. Currrently that advantage is insurmountable for some teams.
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Just a small point and not sour grapes because of the Brum league position,which is due to poor turnout and lack of interest, as I have been led to believe. Is the proximitry of the clubs! Looking geographically at the clubs around the UK, there are miles between the competing teams, but not in the Midlands. We have a team in Birmingham and also a team in Walsall, just a small wedge from our centre. My suggestion would be to close the Walsall club and transfer them all to Birmingham under the guidance of our captain Ant 66
ian.ski309:
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on November 18, 2010, 19:56:47 PM ---
Firstly it is a shame that the bigger clubs are getting a little bad press over the numbers they do get.
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I don"t think that"s what anyone intended Waz, as Brendan quite rightly points out your efforts at recruitment are to be applauded. It"s just that when two teams regularly supply 65% of the runners, the competitive element is removed for the other teams and it ceases to be a contest.
Of course, there"s nothing to stop the rest of us simply stumping up our $10 and just playing for the cash - but when you factor in team play, etc, the also-rans are again at a disadvantage.
If I were a newcomer to APAT looking to get involved in this league with the current criteria in place, there only seems to be two options... either join a team which already has huge numbers or don"t join at all - hence the strong will get stronger and the weak get weaker.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: AceOnTheRiver on November 19, 2010, 12:57:28 PM ---
Some points relating to the online league / number of players in a team debate:
I acknowledge that the current system needs looking at but the proposal of dividing points by the number of players in a team is flawed in my opinion for the following reasons.
1. Surely part of the role of the captain and team members is to encourage more and more players to join the team, which in many cases acts as their intro to APAT and in some cases "real" poker, so it"s all good. Under this proposal inexperienced players could make numbers a disadvantage.
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Totally correct, that would be as unfair on the bigger teams as the current format is on the smaller teams.
--- Quote from: AceOnTheRiver ---
I acknowledge that I am saying all of this from the point of view of playing for one of the most populated teams, but that links back to point one. At Luton we have been actively recruiting and some of the new players in turn bought their friends along - our fun and friendly live game recently has also done us no harm either - and IMO THAT"s what APAT is about
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Again. your point is well made and irrefutable. The challenge is to both retain that aspect and provide a format that offers a chance to compete for the smaller teams who either don"t / can"t put as much effort into recruiting or are genuinely limited to a smaller pool of players.
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