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Another JJ hand!

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noble1:
Ok shoz ,
i"m not a fan of flatting in position versus a 3bet from the blinds at this buy in with no reads, mostly i"d 4bet here and look to stack off if villain 5bets all in , i think with a random at this buy in,there position in blinds [7handed] then Jacks is ok to get jiggy, aggression aggression shoz , if villain has it then c"est la vie, if he just flats a 4bet then stack off all non ace/king flops imho ..

As played
meh flop , if u rr he folds all bluff hands and only continues with over pairs , flush draws is a maybe but his cbet sizing and the fact he cbets [randoms i find tend to like check raising there FD,not a hard fast rule to go by but mostly true lol] suggests to me he has whiffed or has an over pair, lol its one of those flop textures that villains totally miss or have u beat so generally now i think the best line is to flat and see a turn card and ""re-evaluate"" ;D
Turn - 1/2 pot spew again , my logic says a random player with a over pair would of bet more flop and turn , flush is a maybe still but the way villain has sized his bets sways me to think Ace or king of clubs with another non club in his hand and the chump is now betting a FD or its total bluff bo##ocks , SO RE-RAISE all in, equity equity shoz :) and if u are lucky villain will brain fart and make a crying call ..............

Marty719:
Please do not re-raise all in!!!!!!!!!!!

By raising all in, all we achieve is fold all worse hands and get called by better.  We also fold out any barrelling air in his range.  If we think his line is fos, then flatting is the best option and then c/c the river.  We always want to allow our opponents to make mistakes.  Shoving just enables him to play perfectly.

fwiw, I fold the turn.

noble1:
u willl be making a mistake by calling turn if villain is on a FD which to me is pretty much obvious giving the bet sizing,  btw villain does not rep anything that beats us pretty much most of the time here imo .. if villain is on a FD he has put enough $$ in the pot now to spazz off to a re-raise , as we have no reads we do not know if he trys to goof off with air on the river if he misses his FD ..all in which makes calling the turn totally the wrong choice imho....

shozboy1:
This hand was a while ago. I defintely recall raising all in on the turn and getting called by some junk. I think he had A9 with Ace clubs in his hand - river bricked so I took it down. Was anyways wanting views on how it was played

UKChamp:
Im not overly worried about the flush turn given that villains range for such made hands is very thin (AKs/AQs).

In order of events as they happen, how do I read the 3b oop preflop:
1)Bigger pair looking for value
2)Unmade hand not wanting to see flop oop
3)Medium pair 99-JJ not wanting to see overcards

To my mind there is enough value in those three options (number of combos for unpaired hands taken into acccount) that a flat is the best line. True we dont like many overcards on the flop but equally we have position and can control pot size, plus 4b pre definatley folds out weaker hands.

At this point what does villain put us on, assuming he is a std reg. At this juncture we can only really have a JJ+AK+ range here without prior knowledge. Maybe in the extreme we have mined smaller pairs but given the stack size there is limited value in doing so.

Flop bet of 50% is somewhat weak as is the second barrel. Given that raising the flop looses weaker hands and I am loathed to give a cheap turn, I am leaning towards a shove on the turn, flatting just bring too many river scare cards and when you have flatted pre you have to play all of his range.

Its a marginal situation at best in my opinion but enough people overplay AK/TT in that position that there is value in calling down flop and shoving turn. Versus a tight opponenet you may even fold out a non club QQ/KK but obviously this is pretty unlikely but you cant underestimate how strong your call is pre given that someone has 3b an utg raiser.

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