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Pot Odds ( I have the last post on every topic- HELP)
George2Loose:
I was having a discussion with my friend (I do have more than one incidentally) re pot odds having watched high stakes poker.
We were amazed that no one knew the odds of a Q10 beating AJ (I think those were the hand)
Obviously means a lot of old school players such as Hellmuth and Ivey know nothing about odds etc.
So are they over rated??? I personally use pot odds a LOT- but should I be with all these successful pros knowing nothing about them???
Jon MW:
Every successful established player knows a lot about pot odds, and uses them all the time.
However, they don"t necessarily realise it.
There is some space for instinct and feel in poker, but generally those top players who can"t tell you the exact percentages of different hands winning are still using the maths behind it - they will just be using their superior number sense rather than working out the exact sum.
ie. they will know whether they have pot odds (approximately at least) without having to work it out.
swordfish:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on October 21, 2007, 11:42:41 AM ---
Obviously means a lot of old school players such as Hellmuth and Ivey know nothing about odds etc.
--- End quote ---
I think you"ll find Hellmuth in particular knows pot odds inside out. How you can say they obviously don"t know them is unbelievable!! They use a combination of odds, feel and experience to thump mere mortals like us. :)
Also, the TV programs, while entertaining, IMO are far removed from reality...
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: swordfish on October 21, 2007, 16:02:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on October 21, 2007, 11:42:41 AM ---
Obviously means a lot of old school players such as Hellmuth and Ivey know nothing about odds etc.
--- End quote ---
I think you"ll find Hellmuth in particular knows pot odds inside out. How you can say they obviously don"t know them is unbelievable!! They use a combination of odds, feel and experience to thump mere mortals like us. :)
Also, the TV programs, while entertaining, IMO are far removed from reality...
--- End quote ---
Phil knows next to nothing about pot odds. Watch his pass on the final table when he is going for his 12th bracelet with K8 and you"ll know what I mean
TYTYTY
Swinebag:
I"ve not seen this particular hand but I do disagree here
Hellmuth has said that he will pass a hand even when he has the correct odds to call. His belief that he can pick better spots and outplay oponents leads him to do this. As Jon alluded to, pot odds are part of a poker decision not everything.
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