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S4 WCOAP World Amateur Team Championship 2010
Shogun112:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:15:12 PM ---
IMO APAT didn"t "succumb to pressure", to change the rules.
They made what they thought was a sensible decision, people presented their evidence to suggest that it wasn"t as good as it seems (primarily because of the different circumstances in the timing of this year"s team championship compared to the previous season when this rule would have had much more validity) - and as a result of which APAT made an evidence based decision to change it.
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You are kiddin me right?
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:15:12 PM ---
If APAT steadfastly refused to consider any feedback into how it could improve the way in which any of the individual events (or the season"s as a whole) were run then it would stagnate and become more and more disconnected and irrelevant to it"s membership. It"s an extremely promising sign that if a decision is made that evidence suggests is "wrong", APAT will fix the mistake rather than ignore it.
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how about look at it this way...
If the Premier Football League were asked for opinions into the qualification into Europe next season, and at the start of the season they say, first 4 will qualify to be in the Champions League... And then.. Some time 5 weeks before the end of the season, they change the rules and say, we have listened to "opinion" and we are changing it to only the top 2 teams, therefore, unlucky teams in 3rd and 4th place...
Do you think that is acceptable to just change the rules of qualification mid season?
Or... Do you think it would be prudent to wait until the season has finished and apply the new rules to next season?
SirPercival:
--- Quote from: Shogun112 on July 17, 2010, 14:24:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:15:12 PM ---
IMO APAT didn"t "succumb to pressure", to change the rules.
They made what they thought was a sensible decision, people presented their evidence to suggest that it wasn"t as good as it seems (primarily because of the different circumstances in the timing of this year"s team championship compared to the previous season when this rule would have had much more validity) - and as a result of which APAT made an evidence based decision to change it.
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You are kiddin me right?
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:15:12 PM ---
The rules at the start of the season did not include an automatic qualification for the team event. This is one of the reasons I argued to remove the criteria that was later introduced.
Do you honestly think it is fair that I would have to pick a player because they had gotten say 7th place in one event? (note: I haven"t yet checked the rankings, this is just to demonstrate my point).
If APAT steadfastly refused to consider any feedback into how it could improve the way in which any of the individual events (or the season"s as a whole) were run then it would stagnate and become more and more disconnected and irrelevant to it"s membership. It"s an extremely promising sign that if a decision is made that evidence suggests is "wrong", APAT will fix the mistake rather than ignore it.
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how about look at it this way...
If the Premier Football League were asked for opinions into the qualification into Europe next season, and at the start of the season they say, first 4 will qualify to be in the Champions League... And then.. Some time 5 weeks before the end of the season, they change the rules and say, we have listened to "opinion" and we are changing it to only the top 2 teams, therefore, unlucky teams in 3rd and 4th place...
Do you think that is acceptable to just change the rules of qualification mid season?
Or... Do you think it would be prudent to wait until the season has finished and apply the new rules to next season?
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Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Shogun112 on July 17, 2010, 14:24:54 PM ---
...
how about look at it this way...
If the Premier Football League were asked for opinions into the qualification into Europe next season, and at the start of the season they say, first 4 will qualify to be in the Champions League... And then.. Some time 5 weeks before the end of the season, they change the rules and say, we have listened to "opinion" and we are changing it to only the top 2 teams, therefore, unlucky teams in 3rd and 4th place...
Do you think that is acceptable to just change the rules of qualification mid season?
Or... Do you think it would be prudent to wait until the season has finished and apply the new rules to next season?
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It isn"t a comparable situation though.
Champions League qualification brings with it significant financial gain.
Teams can build into their budget the potential gain of qualification and plan accordingly.
If the number of teams who qualified were changed this would affect that strategic and tactical planning - i.e. those teams who were in the mix to "just" qualify would no longer have a chance of qualifying and money they might have spent on trying to get into the qualifying spot would now no longer be rewarded by the extra funds that would arise from qualification.
With APAT, the only way it would make a strategic difference would be if someone won or finished highly in one or more of the early championships purely because it would mean they would be an automatic pick for the Team Championships.
I strongly suspect that this isn"t the case. I really don"t think anybody played any differently in the previous championships because this rule was in place.
The effect having this rule, or not having this rule, would be when the teams are picked.
If it was changed after the teams were picked then someone automatically picked could make arrangements - then get dropped, which would clearly be wrong.
Changing the rule before the teams are picked means that nothing in this season has been affected, and hence there is no reason not to change it for this season rather than wait.
Jon MW:
Try and fix your quoting skills SirPerceval :D
Shogun112:
--- Quote from: SirPerceval on July 17, 2010, 14:40:02 PM ---
The rules at the start of the season did not include an automatic qualification for the team event. This is one of the reasons I argued to remove the criteria that was later introduced.
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I saw the rules for myself..!! They were there..!! Why else would we be arguing the point..!! Why else would APAT have to state that they changed it..!!
--- Quote from: SirPerceval on July 17, 2010, 14:40:02 PM ---
Do you honestly think it is fair that I would have to pick a player because they had gotten say 7th place in one event? (note: I haven"t yet checked the rankings, this is just to demonstrate my point).
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It is irrelevant whether it is fair or not. If the rules say it is done this way, then changing the rules mid season is more unfair than the rule itself.
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