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S4 WCOAP World Amateur Team Championship 2010
SirPercival:
The auto selection was introduced on May 17, 2010, 01:46:18 pm. I do not believe this was the start of the season.
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Shogun112 on July 17, 2010, 14:50:21 PM ---
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It is irrelevant whether it is fair or not. If the rules say it is done this way, then changing the rules mid season is more unfair than the rule itself.
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As I"ve suggested,imo , nothing has been organised before this rule was decided, nobody has spent any money or played any differently - this rule has no practical effect up to the point that teams were decided - so how is it unfair to change it?
Shogun112:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:43:27 PM ---
It isn"t a comparable situation though.
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You are kiddin right..!! I am making a point about qualifying and the rules being changed mid season, and it IS comparable..!!
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:43:27 PM ---
Champions League qualification brings with it significant financial gain.
Teams can build into their budget the potential gain of qualification and plan accordingly.
If the number of teams who qualified were changed this would affect that strategic and tactical planning - i.e. those teams who were in the mix to "just" qualify would no longer have a chance of qualifying and money they might have spent on trying to get into the qualifying spot would now no longer be rewarded by the extra funds that would arise from qualification.
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I am reading this thinking, what are you on about..!!
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:43:27 PM ---
With APAT, the only way it would make a strategic difference would be if someone won or finished highly in one or more of the early championships purely because it would mean they would be an automatic pick for the Team Championships.
I strongly suspect that this isn"t the case. I really don"t think anybody played any differently in the previous championships because this rule was in place.
The effect having this rule, or not having this rule, would be when the teams are picked.
If it was changed after the teams were picked then someone automatically picked could make arrangements - then get dropped, which would clearly be wrong.
Changing the rule before the teams are picked means that nothing in this season has been affected, and hence there is no reason not to change it for this season rather than wait.
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Are you drunk? You clearly do not understand the point I am making..!!
Shogun112:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:59:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shogun112 on July 17, 2010, 14:50:21 PM ---
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It is irrelevant whether it is fair or not. If the rules say it is done this way, then changing the rules mid season is more unfair than the rule itself.
--- End quote ---
As I"ve suggested,imo , nothing has been organised before this rule was decided, nobody has spent any money or played any differently - this rule has no practical effect up to the point that teams were decided - so how is it unfair to change it?
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What has money spent got anything to do with my point? please take time and re-read my point..!!
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Shogun112 on July 17, 2010, 15:00:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:43:27 PM ---
It isn"t a comparable situation though.
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You are kiddin right..!! I am making a point about qualifying and the rules being changed mid season, and it IS comparable..!!
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:43:27 PM ---
Champions League qualification brings with it significant financial gain.
Teams can build into their budget the potential gain of qualification and plan accordingly.
If the number of teams who qualified were changed this would affect that strategic and tactical planning - i.e. those teams who were in the mix to "just" qualify would no longer have a chance of qualifying and money they might have spent on trying to get into the qualifying spot would now no longer be rewarded by the extra funds that would arise from qualification.
--- End quote ---
I am reading this thinking, what are you on about..!!
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 17, 2010, 14:43:27 PM ---
With APAT, the only way it would make a strategic difference would be if someone won or finished highly in one or more of the early championships purely because it would mean they would be an automatic pick for the Team Championships.
I strongly suspect that this isn"t the case. I really don"t think anybody played any differently in the previous championships because this rule was in place.
The effect having this rule, or not having this rule, would be when the teams are picked.
If it was changed after the teams were picked then someone automatically picked could make arrangements - then get dropped, which would clearly be wrong.
Changing the rule before the teams are picked means that nothing in this season has been affected, and hence there is no reason not to change it for this season rather than wait.
--- End quote ---
Are you drunk? You clearly do not understand the point I am making..!!
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I really didn"t think it was that complicated.
Football: if a club spends £5,000,000 with the aim of qualifying for a tournament which will increase their revenue by £20,000,000 then changing the qualifying rules has a direct influence on what they would have done if the rules hadn"t been changed mid season (figures made up, cba to look up the real figures)
APAT: if this rule had never been suggested, none of the results of existing tournaments and nobody"s individual plans or expenses would have been any different to what they are now - therefore there is no difference between changing the rule now and never having the rule in the first place.
EDIT: it"s not specifically the money - it"s the fact that there is absolutely no effect whatsoever, on anything that has already taken place
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