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opinions on this hand please

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manchestercarl:

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so if you were a mahoosive stack in late position, and two micro-stacks get all in (assume the limper is putting the rest in).... and you look down at a small/medium pair, you wouldn"t fancy taking the gamble to knock out two players, knowing that losing the hand wouldn"t do you any material damage? The only way you can play in this spot though is to isolate as any kind of funky flat call invites the shove from behind.

I think that reading his range as only QQ/AK/KK/AA is way to restrictive.
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No if the above case I would probably get involved (push)... I would also probably get involved if, with the action as descibed there wasnt a 150k stack sat in the big blind and still to act.

The initial limper is committed to the had (or should have been) and in effect by limping is implying a monster, therefore the initial shovers range is now smaller than if he was facing a "shove".  As a monster stack, after this action, I am now not getting involved with anything other than a monster hand, especially as the 150k stack (big blind) is still to act (and they are only person who can do me any real damage).

deanp27:
well i normally say call when everyone else says pass...

anyway i think calling with JJ is acceptable but just think with one massive stack and loads of shorties we can can use our stack to better effect, especially as we don"t have the chip monster acting after us. Better spots blah blah...especially when blinds are high against relative stack sizes we may be able push our preflop edge more

we are unlikely to be in great shape in this spot - we lose main pot but win vs CL and we have marginally more than we started with but shover has equal our stack, we could go out obviously to CL or we could win the hand but still be second to the CL.

sure they both may turn over underpairs or both have AK - but that is wishful thinking and ranges are usually tighter in the live pokerz, especially on final tables.

deanp27:
also after winning this hand the CL must have had a real blow up to consider even chopping with the rest of you

BOINGBLITZ:
When we did the deal Dean, HE was NO LONGER the chip-leader (Though he did finish 2nd - they eventually chopped the remaining £2k ) If I had been in that situation and was offered a deal, I would"e said yes, but took stacks into account when doing so.
 Having said that, though I haven"t played against him before, he was not only a very decent chap, but a VERY good player too.

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