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thoughts please.....
AMRN:
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Another point re stack sizes. Can we really take this into account at this stage - early on and most are all on about 1500? Can understand if someone was heavily stacked or short but as we were about the same and you only start with 1500 each.
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Stack size is everything!! don"t consider stack size in relation to other players though, although this is of course a factor in some decisions.... you should consider stack size in relation to the BB.... and the fact is that you have only 35xBB and are verging on short. The very nature of these STTs is that everyone is short from the start.
When playing short stacked, flat calling is generally the worst possible option in most scenarios. At 35xBB in a STT, imo your only viable options are fold or raise (and it"s not far away from being fold or shove)
Consider playing these SNG STTs (especially turbos) without touching the call button (other than calling a shove of course) - in a STT SNG if a hand is good enough to call with, it should be good enough to raise with..... and if not, just fold. These games are all about having enough chips at the shove/fold stage to retain a good degree of fold equity..... don"t think of STT SNGs in the same way as you would think of cash or normal tournament poker - completely different animal.
pokernuts07:
--- Quote from: AMRN on July 08, 2010, 11:34:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: pokernuts07 on July 08, 2010, 11:14:58 AM ---
Another point re stack sizes. Can we really take this into account at this stage - early on and most are all on about 1500? Can understand if someone was heavily stacked or short but as we were about the same and you only start with 1500 each.
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Stack size is everything!! don"t consider stack size in relation to other players though, although this is of course a factor in some decisions.... you should consider stack size in relation to the BB.... and the fact is that you have only 35xBB and are verging on short. The very nature of these STTs is that everyone is short from the start.
When playing short stacked, flat calling is generally the worst possible option in most scenarios. At 35xBB in a STT, imo your only viable options are fold or raise (and it"s not far away from being fold or shove)
Consider playing these SNG STTs (especially turbos) without touching the call button (other than calling a shove of course) - in a STT SNG if a hand is good enough to call with, it should be good enough to raise with..... and if not, just fold. These games are all about having enough chips at the shove/fold stage to retain a good degree of fold equity..... don"t think of STT SNGs in the same way as you would think of cash or normal tournament poker - completely different animal.
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Some interesting points! These SNGS are really the only poker I play online at the moment and have built most of my BR from them so think my game is better geared to this format than MTT"s. I do play them but really struggling at the moment and my track record is not good. Don"t touch cash.
SNGS are my baby though, especially 6 handed on PKR! Like I said I would normally shove the flop there but tilting and needed some advice on the call on the flop/odds etc.....
Cheers
shozboy1:
great overall advice steve. I agree in that I would fold preflop here. Out of interest, how wwould others have played this in a tourney? I would have flat called from the BB also in that situation and either called or raised the flop
Swinebag:
I dont play many 6 man STTs, but from my full ring background this is a standard fold preflop. There are not many flops that help you out here and you may be dominated with flops that hit. Chip preservation is the order of the day in STTs.
Given this is a 6 max STT, then squeezing here may be the superior play but calling and playing the hand OOP is my last option here.
As played, I dont like the call on the flop, your overs may not be outs so you are not really getting the odds here, but then again I hate playing any drawing hand in STTs as the implied odds rarely make it profitable. I think I go fold > CRAI > call here.
As played on the flop the call on the turn is fine as its only 120 into a 1080 pot and given that bet size, K hi might be good now.
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Your line in the hand would have been fine on all streets if this was a deeper stacked MTT, but I think the overall mistake is that you are trying to play poker here when this is not poker, but an STT (just play top 5% early levels then push bot at later levels)
deanp27:
prolly call HU in position but less keen multiway unless soooooted
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