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PHIL_TC:
APAT live event at the Vic, last hand before a break, blinds are 200/400 and I have around 8500 in chips

I"m on the button and its folded round to me holding  ah qh. I make it 1600 to go.

I have both the SB and BB covered.

The SB (tight player) pushes all in for just over 7000, and the BB thinks for a while and goes all in as well for around 4K (I thought for value)

Back to me to make a decision... and wishing I"d just gone outside for a cig like the rest of the table...

Any thoughts?

AMRN:
yuck.

What was your plan when you made the raise? a 4xBB opener is huge (and spewy) if you are planning to fold to a shove.

You state the SB shover with 7k as being tight - by "tight", do you mean he only plays top 5% of hands? If so, then it"s an easy fold..... or do you actually mean "good", in which case it"s an easy call, given that his resteal range will be pretty wide against your button raise.

PHIL_TC:

--- Quote from: AMRN on July 13, 2010, 14:53:20 PM ---
yuck.

What was your plan when you made the raise? a 4xBB opener is huge (and spewy) if you are planning to fold to a shove.

You state the SB shover with 7k as being tight - by "tight", do you mean he only plays top 5% of hands? If so, then it"s an easy fold..... or do you actually mean "good", in which case it"s an easy call, given that his resteal range will be pretty wide against your button raise.


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My thoughts were to take it down there and then with a large raise.  Feared that a small button raise wouldnt be respected so decided on a 4x.

The "tight" is I believe a mod on here so not sure if that means they"re "good" or not  ;)

Hasnt played any hands but yes would put him as a good player.

Marty719:
Y do you want to "take it down there" w/ a 21x stack and AQs.  Opening small to induce worse hands to shove is always going to be a better option.  You should get out of the habit of 4x"n any of your range as it just costs you money in the long-run.

As played, call and gamble - you still have sb"s shoving range beaten and bb shud be puttin 10x in wide enough that we are in decent shape.  Side pots ftw.

PHIL_TC:

--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 13, 2010, 15:16:01 PM ---
Y do you want to "take it down there" w/ a 21x stack and AQs.  Opening small to induce worse hands to shove is always going to be a better option.  You should get out of the habit of 4x"n any of your range as it just costs you money in the long-run.

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Agreed.. however wouldn"t I have been in exactly the same situation raising 2-3x? Having raised 4x am I having to gamble whereas if I"d raised smaller could I of got away from this? I"m not sure?

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