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Live APAT hand which has been bugging me
Marty719:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on July 13, 2010, 15:22:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 13, 2010, 15:16:01 PM ---
Y do you want to "take it down there" w/ a 21x stack and AQs. Opening small to induce worse hands to shove is always going to be a better option. You should get out of the habit of 4x"n any of your range as it just costs you money in the long-run.
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Agreed.. however wouldn"t I have been in exactly the same situation raising 2-3x? Having raised 4x am I having to gamble whereas if I"d raised smaller could I of got away from this? I"m not sure?
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Y do you want to get away from it? W/ 21x and AQs on the button, ur aim is to get the money in. Raising smaller makes ppl more likely to re-ship a wider range (including a LOT of hands you have crushed). You always want to increase the illusion of fold equity in this spot.
4x"n is unnecessary and bad in general. In general if you 4x fold, you could save urself a considerable amount of money by 2.5x"n. We are also less likely to get called light when we 4x, which means we lose some value from our strong hands. 2.5x"n instead of 4x"n also controls villains 3/b sizing which is obv always a good thing!
PHIL_TC:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 13, 2010, 15:31:40 PM ---
Y do you want to get away from it? W/ 21x and AQs on the button, ur aim is to get the money in. Raising smaller makes ppl more likely to re-ship a wider range (including a LOT of hands you have crushed). You always want to increase the illusion of fold equity in this spot.
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With the 2 all in"s to call and for most of my stack I wasnt feeling as confident as when I started with the original raise to be honest.. but then again I"m generally too nitty :)
Marty719:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on July 13, 2010, 15:40:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 13, 2010, 15:31:40 PM ---
Y do you want to get away from it? W/ 21x and AQs on the button, ur aim is to get the money in. Raising smaller makes ppl more likely to re-ship a wider range (including a LOT of hands you have crushed). You always want to increase the illusion of fold equity in this spot.
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With the 2 all in"s to call and for most of my stack I wasnt feeling as confident as when I started with the original raise to be honest.. but then again I"m generally too nitty :)
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We crush sb"s shoving range - If we win that side-pot we pretty much break even.
PHIL_TC:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 13, 2010, 15:42:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on July 13, 2010, 15:40:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 13, 2010, 15:31:40 PM ---
Y do you want to get away from it? W/ 21x and AQs on the button, ur aim is to get the money in. Raising smaller makes ppl more likely to re-ship a wider range (including a LOT of hands you have crushed). You always want to increase the illusion of fold equity in this spot.
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With the 2 all in"s to call and for most of my stack I wasnt feeling as confident as when I started with the original raise to be honest.. but then again I"m generally too nitty :)
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We crush sb"s shoving range - If we win that side-pot we pretty much break even.
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As it turned out we wern"t crushing the SB hand, but my thought process was that we should be ahead.
Sounds like I did the right thing making the call to gamble when it came back to me, just wasnt sure whether the original raise was correct and then whether to make the call or not after the 2 all ins.
Just wasn"t a happy situation.
Marty719:
Remember, we can still be crushing his range, even if we are not ahead.
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