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noble1:
add to my previous reply above...
if we assume the button isn"t a complete idiot , look at it from his perspective if he has top 2pair or a made straight on this texture flop.You lead out and bb calls, what do you think he puts u and the bb on and with his stack size how do u think he"d continue?
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: noble1 on July 19, 2010, 15:49:29 PM ---
add to my previous reply above...
if we assume the button isn"t a complete idiot , look at it from his perspective if he has top 2pair or a made straight on this texture flop.You lead out and bb calls, what do you think he puts u and the bb on and with his stack size how do u think he"d continue?
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This bit about "what does he put me on" is the tricky bit for me. I don"t think my image is too shabby - I folded trip jacks on the river in an earlier hand to a player who had raised the turn and led out for about half the pot on the river (he had turned the house having flopped two pair after he called utg with J8 off). Yes, I"ve been active, but I haven"t shown any real signs of utter recklessness or of crazy aggression.
So what does he put me on that is scary for his hand?
Trips? - He must know I"d have raised pre with 99/JJ/QQ so we can ignore that, can"t we?
Two pair? - which leaves me 4 outs and him as a big favourite
The K 10 to split the pot? Possible, but unlikely
A/8 10 ? possible, and maybe the only hands that makes his move make sense in a chip accrual way
or a bare 10 and fear of splitting the pot if one of the remaining 3 Ks appears?
Is shoving in his position a good move these days ? (obviously it as for him on this occasion...)
Eck:
--- Quote from: david3103 on July 19, 2010, 13:41:43 PM ---
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--- Quote from: david3103 on July 19, 2010, 11:20:39 AM ---
I"m in the Small blind with jc 9d and the button open limps. I opt to complete with a view to calling/raising if the BB gets awkward, but i think maybe it"s time to just see a flop and play from there.
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Can you explain a bit more about the thought process here please? what were your intentions if BB raised?
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he"s raised pretty rarely and only in pots where I"d folded, but I suppose it"s possible that he might and I may have to think about it.
I need a bit more info before I answer the hypothetical question though.
How much are you thinking he might raise?
Is the button calling?
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Your statement suggests you are likely to either call or raise any bet the BB would make. I just thought it a bit odd with a weak hand oop to the BB who if I am correct has been playing fairly tight that we would want to get involved unless they are always folding when they miss etc. Think most mistakes are normally made pre-flop: don"t mind the make up as the hand can flop okay but if we do hit it is also going to smack a load of other hands people like to limp with so you would need to be cautious which is another reason to pass and make life easier etc. Opinion split on this with me and the mole he is making up 100% of the time as he loves the odds etc but i just see the limping in behind hoping to hit as spewy as you are likely passing the majority of flops.
As played I get them in here as I am not giving him any credit if he is open limping the button tbh.
AMRN:
amazing how often people get into trouble by calling, instead of raising/folding. It might only be 150 into a pot of 750 preflop, and 6/1 sounds like a great deal.... but it just set up an avoidable car crash.
either punish the weak limp by the button preflop, or just stay out of the way and don"t waste chips.
Swinebag:
calling is not the greatest preflop, but I"d probably have a stab with this too. (but that"s because I"m a fish)
As played, you have flopped the earth, so iso shove
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