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AK sooooooooted - on the bubble
kinboshi:
noble1:
--- Quote from: kinboshi on August 03, 2010, 12:33:09 PM ---
I had intended to call a shove.
But, then I saw a tell that made me think again.
This is probably the reason I posted this on here. Is it right to make a decision based on a tell? How certain do I have to be that my read is right? Is it possible to place a percentage on it, or is it just something that should (or shouldn"t) help me decide what I do in this specific, one-off situation.
Is letting a read dictate, or at least guide my play a mistake here?
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tbh Dan this situation should of been thought about pre-flop, if your read that seat 2 wasn"t quite so tight then my whole view would change. The way you described the situation along with some history/reads, i couldn"t imagine seat 2 raising a limper thin, plus u read seat 1 pre as ""maybe"" strong, so preflop is this a profitable situation to reraise?
The 3bet sizing i"d do different if i had played it, 3x to me is to large at this stage with the stack sizes to blinds, 2.3 to 2.6x for me is better in general if up against decent players, it allows for a bit more 3betting when you are pressuring players.
All imho of course, folding a strong hand at times like this can be the best play in an tough/awkward situation,
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: kinboshi on August 03, 2010, 16:23:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on August 03, 2010, 16:15:54 PM ---
U probably should pick up this "tell" before you decide to 3 bet.
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It wasn"t there to pick up before the bet. But yes, it would have been better to see it earlier.
--- Quote ---You know you"ve turned you hand into a bluff here Dan if you fold
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Yes, I see that. So it"s right to ignore the read and put another 80K in the middle (I think it was actually 90K looking back, but that"s neither here nor there)?
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U should have a plan before you 3 bet. What tell did u pick up? They"re over rated. I usually pick up a read and do the opposite cos I"m so crap at live tells :D
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: noble1 on August 03, 2010, 16:27:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: kinboshi on August 03, 2010, 12:33:09 PM ---
I had intended to call a shove.
But, then I saw a tell that made me think again.
This is probably the reason I posted this on here. Is it right to make a decision based on a tell? How certain do I have to be that my read is right? Is it possible to place a percentage on it, or is it just something that should (or shouldn"t) help me decide what I do in this specific, one-off situation.
Is letting a read dictate, or at least guide my play a mistake here?
--- End quote ---
tbh Dan this situation should of been thought about pre-flop, if your read that seat 2 wasn"t quite so tight then my whole view would change. The way you described the situation along with some history/reads, i couldn"t imagine seat 2 raising a limper thin, plus u read seat 1 pre as ""maybe"" strong, so preflop is this a profitable situation to reraise?
--- End quote ---
That"s what I thought with the information available to me at the time.
--- Quote ---The 3bet sizing i"d do different if i had played it, 3x to me is to large at this stage with the stack sizes to blinds, 2.3 to 2.6x for me is better in general if up against decent players, it allows for a bit more 3betting when you are pressuring players.
--- End quote ---
I think I made it 25K total (my BB was already in there and I took it back and threw in some big chips. It was 27K-ish).
--- Quote ---All imho of course, folding a strong hand at times like this can be the best play in an tough/awkward situation,
--- End quote ---
It wasn"t awkward until she"d shoved and then I read her as uber-strong that I questioned my plan (to ship the lot in).
My question is should I change my plan now, based on the information I now have, or do I carry on regardless?
Ideally, I"d have folded rather than raising if I"m even contemplating folding now. I don"t want to be spewing 15% of my stack.
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on August 03, 2010, 16:41:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: kinboshi on August 03, 2010, 16:23:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on August 03, 2010, 16:15:54 PM ---
U probably should pick up this "tell" before you decide to 3 bet.
--- End quote ---
It wasn"t there to pick up before the bet. But yes, it would have been better to see it earlier.
--- Quote ---You know you"ve turned you hand into a bluff here Dan if you fold
--- End quote ---
Yes, I see that. So it"s right to ignore the read and put another 80K in the middle (I think it was actually 90K looking back, but that"s neither here nor there)?
--- End quote ---
U should have a plan before you 3 bet. What tell did u pick up? They"re over rated. I usually pick up a read and do the opposite cos I"m so crap at live tells :D
--- End quote ---
My plan before the 3-bet was to get it all in - even against a very tight player.
I rarely rely on tells and reads, unless they"re staring me in the face. Funnily enough, it"s easier to read a tight, predictable player than a loose, unpredictable one. Well, it is in my experience anyway.
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