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WYoung83:
 I actually dont mind the limp from sb with a hand like this, your hand has to much potential post flop to have to fold to a bb 3 bet, so by limping u are disguising your hand while at the same time keeping the pot under controll, you are defently deep stacked enough to play suited connectors post flop, even oop vs 1 plyr. (if he raises your limp then i would call and take a flop)

As the hand plays betting on the flop is standard, although maybe a little big imo, i would check/call the turn for pot controll because you have showdown value. River is really cold, but the point of the smaller flop bet, and check of turn means that in this situation you loose much less when u get coolered like this.

dwh103:
I"d raise pre here with this hand (what a surprise from me). I"m not calling the SB in an unopened pot unless there"s a player specific reason why I should (disguise, pot control, calling station etc etc). Calling here with info provided is bad imo (sorry Don!).

When I see the flop I think about how many streets this hand is worth. Top pair no kicker is a one street hand to me, i.e. one street"s worth of value is reasonable, can"t see more being put in without the opponent having you beat.

As played, the flop decision isn"t that easy. I mix it up with either a 50-100% pot bet or a check depending on a snap assessment of my opponent. Betting narrows your hand range down a lot, so depends how good he is. Checking allows you to potentially get value from a weaker holding later on, but you let him have 3 or 6 outs to bink a higher pair. I probably check as am happy to pot control and don"t mind the risk.

Turn is definitely a check for me as played - highly unlikely you can bet for value here (what worse hand will call you?). If your opponent bets, you can make a decision there as to whether he"s floating or not. I imagine a 10 could bet you off of it on the turn, but that"s the power of position and reminds you why you should raise it up pre!

If he checks the turn, then I"m likely check-calling a reasonable bet on the river. If he bets turn I might peel a river card depending on how bad I"m playing. In the cold light of day and as played it"s probably a fold on turn or river for me.

noble1:
not much to add that will help you Hammer , ref - the points on your bet sizing , you pretty much give away your hand so his river value shove was perfect straight forward thinking putting u on a ten..
without reads and being oop like marty points out its hard to imagine that villain has turned a pair of 66"s or worse into a bluff shove overbet on this texture, a ten maybe but even then i"d be inclined to fold this deep saying ""great value bet"" with a big grin.
meh as played to river and villain calling flop/turn pot size bets , with no specific read on villains tendencies then deciding to check call a reasonable bet is ok , calling the river shove though is meh as villain has to be bluffing 40% plus , he has no read on you i presume having only joined the table , so that would all add up to check fold to his river shove...

just some articles to get u thinking -
http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/considering-variables-against-ranges-489859/
http://www.bluffmagazine.com/magazine/Overbetting-Brandon-Adams-618.htm
http://www.pokernews.com/strategy/representing-hands-with-shaun-deeb-8295.htm

PHIL_TC:
Just my twopennth - I don"t mind the limp in here either Don, I"d have probably done the same myself. I know most people would hate that but agree with Will on pot control and a highly potential hand that should be easy to get away from. As the hand plays out, the bet on the flop is a little high, I"d have gone 3/4 pot, once called on the flop and especially the call on the turn I"m not putting anymore into the pot on the river as alarm bells would be ringing. Once he pushes on the river I"d tank fold. But then I"m a nit :) Horrible situation for you though mate.

Marty719:
I honestly don"t believe the river is that horrible.  We have to realise that we are only calling for a chop at best.  Chip preservation is a massively important concept in tournament poker, and calling for chops is pretty much always -EV.

Its actually one of the best rivers for our hand as it makes it massively unlikely that opponent will turn his hand into a bluff (trying to get ppl to fold houses by repping quads in NLH is never a great idea).

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