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KK tournaments first hand. Whats your move?
Marty719:
He chose a wayyyy too large 4bet size if memory served me correct. All that bet-sizing achieved was pricing him in if villain shoved. I"ll have a look around and c if I still have the sheet. 4bet folding w/ KK is usually grim, but 4betting big enough to price urself in and then folding is pretty dumb.
As for the hand above, do u not think shoving looks weaker than 2k? Are u making it 2k w/ AK here? If we make it 2k, do we expect villain to continue w/ 88-JJ+AQ? We always want our perceived range to look weaker than it actually is when we have KK, making a small raise makes our range look exactly like kk+. Not great...
noble1:
having set rules as to how to play situations/hands isn"t good imho..
Marty719:
--- Quote from: noble1 on September 23, 2010, 16:20:47 PM ---
having set rules as to how to play situations/hands isn"t good imho..
--- End quote ---
But finding the most +EV route is...
shozboy1:
i understand your point of raise size and not giving off a read. I think if this had played out differently, with maybe UTG and UTG+1 not being involved, I would always pay attention to my bet size and how my opponent may interpret that bet size. However, in this situation, I think whichever route is taken will result in the same EV because of the type of player the button is. He has a very narrow range and he"s not letting his hand go. AK was probably bottom of his range and he still shoved over the strong looking 2.5k raise.
If the thread originator posted this hand because he thought by raising to 2k that scared off the "pro" UTG player with JJ (allegedly), I"d again say to him what he says he had can"t be taken as definitely accurate so there"d be no point in debating that
Marty719:
then a better question would be, what raise size would be best to get utg to commit w/ inferior holdings?
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