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Calling 'clock'
Paulie_D:
--- Quote ---44. Calling for the clock procedures: Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called for, a player will be given one minute to make a decision.
If action has not been taken by the time the minute is over, there will be a ten second countdown. If a player has not acted on his hand by the time the countdown is over, the hand will be dead.
The following individuals, without exception, are entitled to call a clock on a player;-
a. Tournament Director.
b. Table Dealer.
c. Another player participating in that specific hand.
For the avoidance of doubt, the clock cannot be called on a player by another player who is not participating in the hand in question.
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So, here"s the thing, if I"m not in the hand, I can"t call the clock myself...fair enough.
But to protect my interest, given the short stack scenario, can I ask the TD to review the position and call it? Sort of an "indirect" clock as it were.
Surely, other players should not be disadvantaged because a player is "delaying" the action even if that person has a difficult decision. Do not all players (and the TD) have the obligation to protect the other players (which is also in the APAT Rules).
But then it"s all down to a subjective interpretation of "reasonable"..apples/oranges!
I would not want to see "live" play become more like "online" with decisions being made within set limits. This, IMO, is there to speed up the action for the site rather than for the players.
HaworthBantam:
--- Quote from: George2Loose link=topic=712.msg12059#msg12059 ---
Online you get a certain amount to act and the a time bank? Is this a model that could be adapted for the live game?
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That would be a little difficult to administer, wouldn"t you think ?
--- Quote from: George2Loose link=topic=712.msg12013#msg12013 ---
Hypothetical example. Blinds 200/400- about to go up in 12 mins
Ur stack is 3200- u still just about have fold equity.
Two players in a pot one is taking AGES but the other person in the hand is showing no indication of calling time. Suddenly your number of big blinds is potentially going from 8 to just over 4 cos you have no power to call time. Is this right???
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If the blinds were not due to go up for another 30 minutes, would you still have the same worry ? Players should have the right to the time required to make a difficult decision, imho, irrespective of the amount of time remaining to the next blind level.
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: HaworthBantam on November 16, 2007, 12:42:38 PM ---
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--- Quote from: George2Loose link=topic=712.msg12013#msg12013 ---
Hypothetical example. Blinds 200/400- about to go up in 12 mins
Ur stack is 3200- u still just about have fold equity.
Two players in a pot one is taking AGES but the other person in the hand is showing no indication of calling time. Suddenly your number of big blinds is potentially going from 8 to just over 4 cos you have no power to call time. Is this right???
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If the blinds were not due to go up for another 30 minutes, would you still have the same worry ? Players should have the right to the time required to make a difficult decision, imho, irrespective of the amount of time remaining to the next blind level.
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I think you"ve got it right here Haworth, the players should have as long as they need to make a difficult decision. A side effect is that it might damage other players prospects, but as long as they were genuinely using the time to decide rather than angle shooting then I think this is just unfortunate - the players in the hand shouldn"t lose out.
If a player was taking a very long time over every single hand then the dealer or TD should notice and start calling the clock on them to minimize the risk of angle shooting. Alternatively you could do what Katja Thater did at the WSOP Razz tournament and just stand up and have a very loud rant at them. It might make them feel a bit more self conscious when they take a long time over a hand in the next few rounds, but even if it doesn"t it"ll make you feel better to let it all out. :)
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on November 16, 2007, 12:55:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: HaworthBantam on November 16, 2007, 12:42:38 PM ---
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--- Quote from: George2Loose link=topic=712.msg12013#msg12013 ---
Hypothetical example. Blinds 200/400- about to go up in 12 mins
Ur stack is 3200- u still just about have fold equity.
Two players in a pot one is taking AGES but the other person in the hand is showing no indication of calling time. Suddenly your number of big blinds is potentially going from 8 to just over 4 cos you have no power to call time. Is this right???
--- End quote ---
If the blinds were not due to go up for another 30 minutes, would you still have the same worry ? Players should have the right to the time required to make a difficult decision, imho, irrespective of the amount of time remaining to the next blind level.
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I think you"ve got it right here Haworth, the players should have as long as they need to make a difficult decision. A side effect is that it might damage other players prospects, but as long as they were genuinely using the time to decide rather than angle shooting then I think this is just unfortunate - the players in the hand shouldn"t lose out.
If a player was taking a very long time over every single hand then the dealer or TD should notice and start calling the clock on them to minimize the risk of angle shooting. Alternatively you could do what Katja Thater did at the WSOP Razz tournament and just stand up and have a very loud rant at them. It might make them feel a bit more self conscious when they take a long time over a hand in the next few rounds, but even if it doesn"t it"ll make you feel better to let it all out. :)
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Name dropper :P
Jon MW:
It was an entirely appropriate example to use.
If I wanted to name drop I could have added that it was Men the Master who she was having a rant at - but I didn"t.
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