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To call or not to call - that is the question
samuel_9:
--- Quote from: AMRN on October 20, 2010, 13:04:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: samuel_9 on October 20, 2010, 11:54:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on October 20, 2010, 11:34:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: samuel_9 on October 20, 2010, 11:19:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on October 20, 2010, 09:35:47 AM ---
Fold pre.
Fold now.
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i would have called the 2k but not 12k... Y.... i would say the average stack is about 20k you have got 27 .....more than the average stack ..... you call 2000 and mis you still have 25k..... you call 12k and mis your below average .....i would say your behind BOTH players you have 2 get very lucky 2 win this hand ......this game its not all about gambling its about playing cards....... the games about biulding a nice stack and winning the tourney ...y risk 12k when the bbls are only 200and 400 you only have 2k in the pot.....y double someone up to 10k or even better 24k......play cards NOT a c r a p s h o ut
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It"s also about taking the gamble in the right spots, and in this scenario, if the BB were to show up with another pocket pair lower than tens, folding ATs would actually be a really bad fold.... in fact, so long as the BB doesn"t have AT dominated (which I accept he could well do), then calling is absolutely correct here given the pot odds, and the risk/reward
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i no what you are saying about pot odds..... BUT thats like IF a wee word with a big meaning.....i usually agree with what you say in your posts but i dont think this is the right call after all i do think he will be dominated he dosent need 2 gamble just my opinion but i would fold all day long y gamble when you dont have to
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and if we are dominated by the BB"s hand, we are still racing with the 88 guy for a side pot which is bigger than the main pot, and for which we are still getting correct pot odds to call.
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y race your hourses don.t win very often. or do they?
samuel_9:
--- Quote from: AMRN on October 20, 2010, 13:04:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: samuel_9 on October 20, 2010, 11:54:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on October 20, 2010, 11:34:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: samuel_9 on October 20, 2010, 11:19:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on October 20, 2010, 09:35:47 AM ---
Fold pre.
Fold now.
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i would have called the 2k but not 12k... Y.... i would say the average stack is about 20k you have got 27 .....more than the average stack ..... you call 2000 and mis you still have 25k..... you call 12k and mis your below average .....i would say your behind BOTH players you have 2 get very lucky 2 win this hand ......this game its not all about gambling its about playing cards....... the games about biulding a nice stack and winning the tourney ...y risk 12k when the bbls are only 200and 400 you only have 2k in the pot.....y double someone up to 10k or even better 24k......play cards NOT a c r a p s h o ut
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It"s also about taking the gamble in the right spots, and in this scenario, if the BB were to show up with another pocket pair lower than tens, folding ATs would actually be a really bad fold.... in fact, so long as the BB doesn"t have AT dominated (which I accept he could well do), then calling is absolutely correct here given the pot odds, and the risk/reward
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i no what you are saying about pot odds..... BUT thats like IF a wee word with a big meaning.....i usually agree with what you say in your posts but i dont think this is the right call after all i do think he will be dominated he dosent need 2 gamble just my opinion but i would fold all day long y gamble when you dont have to
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and if we are dominated by the BB"s hand, we are still racing with the 88 guy for a side pot which is bigger than the main pot, and for which we are still getting correct pot odds to call.
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still not racing for 12k when bbls are 200 an 400 sorry thats just me
deanp27:
--- Quote from: samuel_9 on October 20, 2010, 13:29:28 PM ---]still not racing for 12k when bbls are 200 an 400 sorry thats just me
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lol but you"ll call 2k off to fold the flop though?
samuel_9:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on October 20, 2010, 13:31:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: samuel_9 on October 20, 2010, 13:29:28 PM ---]still not racing for 12k when bbls are 200 an 400 sorry thats just me
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lol but you"ll call 2k off to fold the flop though?
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2k from 27k ante much and who said i would fold STOP FISHING
Marty719:
i thnk flatting pre is the biggest mistake in this hand.
i dnt think calling or folding the shove is awful.
i think call is marginally better w/ remaining stack size, equity against 8"s, side pot, chance to knock out 2 players (would be good to know how many remaining/paid).
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