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Cash Game Hand on Betfair - I have QQ.
noble1:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on December 29, 2010, 13:02:09 PM ---
ps - readless what is ur triple barrel value range here? how do u advocate playing the hand more profitably in this situation longterm??
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i think i"ve answered that , spec-savers comes to mind :)
noble1:
just to add marty :P Don't bet according to your hand strength, instead bet according to what your opponent is going to call or cause him to raise with worse. Thats how i see the concept of value betting :) be it small bets or large overbets the whole concept/theory behind it all depends on having a read of sorts :) A real value bet will extract the most money possible will it not, i don"t argue that point :) being a headless chicken hoping you are getting value seems daft to me :P
your counter views still do not sway me sir ;D
Marty719:
--- Quote from: noble1 on December 29, 2010, 13:33:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marty719 on December 29, 2010, 13:02:09 PM ---
ps - readless what is ur triple barrel value range here? how do u advocate playing the hand more profitably in this situation longterm??
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i think i"ve answered that , spec-savers comes to mind :)
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I havent seen the answers and Ive read a few times. U say if triple barrelling u do it to milk, so is this how u would play it more profitably??? If so, we are arguing the same point. If not, please explain (without a wall of text).
I also cannot see what ur triple barrell range is without reads in this spot? U advocate fold/giving up earlier? Does that mean ur value range is just Ax?
Marty719:
--- Quote from: noble1 on December 29, 2010, 13:52:42 PM ---
just to add marty :P Don't bet according to your hand strength, instead bet according to what your opponent is going to call or cause him to raise with worse. Thats how i see the concept of value betting :) be it small bets or large overbets the whole concept/theory behind it all depends on having a read of sorts :) A real value bet will extract the most money possible will it not, i don"t argue that point :) being a headless chicken hoping you are getting value seems daft to me :P
your counter views still do not sway me sir ;D
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I think myself and all other posters have said we are not betting our hand strength alone, we are betting our hand strength vs villains calling range. We feel that value is made long-term against their calling rangem and that is what the actual concept of value-betting is...
There is no doubt that bet-sizing is important, but no-one has really discussed each street bet-sizing. Obv some are more optimal than others. What I am saying is, with the correct bet sizing, triple barreling here is BY FAR the most profitable route. We are not betting like a headless chicken, we are betting against the perceived range of a base NL20 player. This is the info we have to go by. Not trying to get value without a definitive read is lol-worthy, We are also not "hoping" to get value, we play the hand in this way as we are confidfent we will get long-term value.
Noble....you really should play some NL20 today...then come back and re-address this.
I know u love ur links, so merry crimbo :P
http://www.onlinepoker.org/beat-micro-cash/
These are my fave bits if u are too busy:
Focus on playing solid hands that are unlikely to be dominated, hit the flop and then proceed to bet, bet and bet some more in order to get value for your made hands. In other words, bet when you have it and fold when you don"t.
3. Do Not Slow Play - Always Value Bet. Since most of the players at these levels like to call, there is really no reason not to bet when you have a made hand. And you don"t have to be stingy with your value bets either. You should be able to bet anywhere from 1/2 to full pot and still manage to get tons of value for your hands
It"s probably hard to believe, but this is all it takes to beat the micro stakes - just old-fashioned ABC poker. You want to focus on playing solid starting hands, fold when you miss the flop and bet relentlessly when you connect
noble1:
not a big fan of how to beat so+so guides lol , they honk and players don"t learn how to spot situations or how to exploit regs etc etc.. Annette_15 demonstrated this when playing blind in a $4.40 180sng, no abc tripe there marty :)
she used logic and reads as well as her know how with different textured flops/scare cards etc to win pots, lets face it, it doesn"t take many hands/orbits to build up a profile on weak opponents :)
We keep going round and round on villains range lol lol why because there are no reads, the flop is AAA, its a 3bet pot so even if villain is super wide then because of the flop texture and action pre-flop, then even the most spazzy villains will fold QJs or 22 etc either on the flop or to the 2nd barrel on the turn to strong bet sizing, so like i said milking bets seem a good option to keep the worst of villains range in for at least 2 streets, 1/2 pot 1/2 pot then 1/4 or 1/3 on the river to get crying calls from 99 TT+ or maybe worse who knows etc etc, this say seems better than [without reads] the idea to get the whole 130bb"s in with our fingers crossed..
If the villain re-raises big or shoves on the flop,turn or river then it is an easy fold imho..
I"m still not convinced by your take on the concept of value as you explain it :) but i will add this nugget, if we had reads that villain was semi competent be it 25nl or 100nl and appeared to be a thinking reg then if our perceived range is strong then it stands to reason to value bet less and bluff more, the opposite if our perceived range is weak [but is strong] then value bet more and bluff less, this applies to frequency as well as bet sizing and 3barrel bluffs etc etc..
You kept on harping about ranges to 3barrel, like i said ""i don"t have any"" , it depends on the factors i mentioned above, but i will to the add above, when i 3barrel be it to bluff or with a genuine hand ;D then it i"ll do it with air,nutted hands and top pair/bottom 2pair when oop or ip etc , i do this because with players becoming more and more knowledgeable about 3barrels then to coin that internet kiddie phrase ""i want a depolarized range not a polarized one on the river"".. Other spots that i"d consider to 3barrel are draw heavy flop textures where villains range has lots of draw hands[requires reads to narrow this down :)] and the turn and river are blanks, then i"d bluff small to fold out his draw range, i sometimes like to triple barrel in spots when i consider my opponents hands/range are prone to being overtaken by scare cards or the occasional flushing card etc, again image and reads are important, oh and not over doing it to.. :)
in a nutshell i"ll always advocate learning how to read players/actions over ABC poker, its the only way to get better :)
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