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shozboy1:
Hi, just want some views on this hand. Its not a badbeat story...

final table of divi 2 league game last night. blinds 300/600 (60). I"m around 3rd in chips with 21000.
Hand 1 - for info only. I pick up KK UTG+1. Raise to 1465. called by the BB. Checked to me on flop, cbet 1/2 pot on a J high dry board - take it down.

Next hand straight after. Pick up AA UTG. Raise to 1465. Called on the button by big stack with around 36000. (who obv isnt the player in the above hand)

Pot is around 5200 ca. Flop comes Q-9-2 rainbow. Cbet 1/2 pot again around 2500 leaving ca 16000 behind. Button is only player in hand - raises me to 5900 ca. I tank for 5 secs or so and call. Turn comes a King. I half pot bet again  - roughly 7-8000, leaving the same amount behind. Button raises all in and I call off the last 7-8000.

This isn"t a post about reads. Btn showed J10 for turned straight. I guess my question is what people think about the flop play. I"m inclined to think that if I"d shoved the flop over his reraise (4bet or whatever you call it) he may have just folded. A quick calculation indicates to me he would have had pot odds of about 2-1 to call which are compelling from his point of view. However, pot odds aren"t everything - he may have folded given his commanding chip lead.
What do peole think?

Marty719:
If I flat his flop raise, I dnt lead half pot on the turn leaving no f/e for villain.  If flat first, then check/jam turn.  Obv the K is a dirty card, but without more info and with our spr we cannot fold.

AMRN:
Unless you"re planning to fold if a scare card comes on the turn (which you obv weren"t as you still got it in when the straight completed), I see no logical reason for calling his raise on the flop. At this stage of this tournament, I"m going to be more than happy to play for stacks, and when he raises the flop, you have the ideal spot to get your stack in.   I would expect him to fold his draw much of the time here giving you a nice pot.

shozboy1:
regarding that last point. That"s the real stinker with this hand. I mistakenly in the heat of the moment thought he may have been either making a move on me (having seen me cbet 1/2 pot the prev hand and quite a few others prior to FT and trying to put me to a test) or had some marginal holding like Q10/QJ which I thought he might throw away to a flop 4 bet shove.
If I"d 4 bet shoved the flop and he"d called with the open ender than I wouldn"t have minded busting. It feels with this one though that I could"ve raked myself a nice pot and more importantly, stayed alive in the tourney if I"d just shoved

AMRN:

--- Quote from: shozboy1 on December 06, 2010, 14:01:08 PM ---
It feels with this one though that I could"ve raked myself a nice pot and more importantly, stayed alive in the tourney if I"d just shoved

--- End quote ---


^^this, but more importantly, there are many hands worse than yours that he might call with, plus you are charging him to chase any draws. Flatting gives him free cards for draws, as well as letting him get marginal top pair hands to showdown cheaply.

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