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Mikeyboy9361:
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--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on February 17, 2012, 09:52:06 AM ---
The only negative comments I have read over the past day have been the queue of people looking to "shout down" those trying to have a discussion.
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After I posted on Ger"s blog and then mine I read recent posts and find this. I hope you don"t mind but I"m stealing this quote as it sums up how I feel about it.
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All yours. Trust me, I know how you feel. But it will pass. Des will have another announcement next week, that"s assuming he"s not been scared off after yesterday. ;D
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I wouldn"t blame if he was! He works his little socks off bringing a great product to the members of APAT and then gets shouted down and criticised by a small section of the APAT comminity, that take the gloss off the announcement. He must wonder why he bothers sometimes!
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on February 17, 2012, 10:30:03 AM ---
I wouldn"t blame if he was! He works his little socks off bringing a great product to the members of APAT and then gets shouted down and criticised by a small section of the APAT comminity, that take the gloss off the announcement. He must wonder why he bothers sometimes!
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Odd...for a man with little socks, they"d be big shoes to fill! ;D
Chipaccrual:
Thanks Stu.
Unfortunately it did turn a bit "Nationalist", and that fogged over the real discussion, which to the best of my knowledge stemmed from some people raising issues around the whole Luton Team were going to split up. I must add, all of the Luton guys that have posted come out of this smelling off roses in my opinion. Mucho respecto.
As Mr Oliver said to me, "It"s all got a bit Scottish bashing", which is a shame.
I probably didn"t help that situation by "throwing my toys out of the pram", but am still a bit perplexed to why the ruling was put in place, as it was only going to alienate some people from playing, whereas having the "soft" approach would not impact on anyone.
AMRN:
Good post Leigh (as usual).
I think some of this has come about due to the way some of the initial resistance was worded.... without quoting directly, the subtext in some posts suggested that if the rule was not changed to suit personal requirements, then some people would refuse to play. TBH it was that which got my goat, so to speak.
My love of all things APAT is mostly due to it"s inclusive nature, and hearing some long standing APAT members refusing to participate in the flagship APAT league if rules weren"t set in their favour just didn"t feel right.
We"ve learned from previous experience over the past couple of seasons that rules are no good if they are not clear and fast, and at some point (usually in the shake up toward the end of season), somebody will find cause to complain if a rule is not adhered to in it"s entirety. It"s for that reason that I applaud Des" attempts to make a hard and fast ruling on what is quite obviously an emotive subject.
For what it"s worth, I think the rule as it is posted is the correct rule - but that"s just my opinion (although quite clearly the opinion of many others too).
We need to draw a line in the sand to define the ruling on team alignment - current living location is as good as any. We simply cannot afford to allow people to pick and choose their team, or we will just end up with "super teams" again, which will be further cause for complaint if such a super team were to go on and win the significant added value. If we stretch it to say that certain people are allowed to play for the country of their birth, we would discriminate against others who may wish to play for the region of their birth (ie I was born on the South Coast, but live and play in West Mids). If we open up the country of birth angle, to remain fair to all, we would have to provide that option to all players, and we would simply create the free for all that needs to be avoided.
Lastly, as Des has iterated in numerous posts, and also in my own opinion, this is not an international tournament where we are representing our country or our nationality - it"s supposed to be a regional league where we represent the area in which we live and play our poker, and is a vehicle for us to spread the APAT word locally as we recruit within our local poker communities. The international team events are elsewhere on the APAT calendar.
Fatcatstu:
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Lastly, as Des has iterated in numerous posts, and also in my own opinion, this is not an international tournament where we are representing our country or our nationality - it"s supposed to be a regional league where we represent the area in which we live and play our poker, and is a vehicle for us to spread the APAT word locally as we recruit within our local poker communities. The international team events are elsewhere on the APAT calendar.
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This is all i shall be posting now, if you dont mind steve, this sums up exactly my thoughts on the matter!
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