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noble1:

--- Quote from: shozboy1 on January 14, 2011, 19:29:47 PM ---
Hi thanks for the posts. I need to have a think about your last post noble and will get back to it

Also, I was wondering is my 3bet size so bad? I kept it consistent with my big hands. I also, this way keep ther pot a tad bit smaller whilst also looking super strong. This guy had folded to a small 3bet of mine already so i knew he was capable of folding this one.

As a side issue he showed up with JJ and berated me. I then proceeded to berate him for being a fish who should"ve bet the river (?)(!)

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i"m taking the dogs for a walk very shortly so quickly my thoughts on bet sizing 100bb"s+ oop, SPR shoz oop is your friend when bigger smaller imho, it leaves less room for the villain in position to out maneuver you.. In position i can see certain situations that met benefit re-raising smaller, you met want a fish to call for instance :)
Start a thread and ask the APATers what there views are on bet sizing IP , OOP , 3BET SIZING, 4BET SIZING etc etc
Also if you use a hud , open up the filters and look at the stats for the regs at 50nl for there avg steal stats, that being the cut off, button and small blind combined, i"ll be very surprised if you find the avg above 25%, also do the 3bet fold %, again you will surprise me if u say the avg for 50nl players isn"t around 50%..
If u don"t use a hud, get one, its great for breaking down your own and others play....

walkies time :)

TheSnapper:
A quick reply till I get home and give it some more time.

3 bet size seems a bit small, my preferred size is 9 BB"s ip and 11 BB"s oop.

That you choose to 3 bet bluff Q6s is largely irrelevent as far hand strength so long as you always 3 bet bluff Q6s.

Against this lp raising range a 1:1 mix of value and bluff hands is going to be profitable and this is where the bluff hands you choose are relevent, if you are just indescriminately bluff 3 betting you have no control over your frequencies and can end up 3 bet bluffing too much or not enough. By sticking to a set range of hands you can automatically build in the correct frequency.

Which hands you choose is a personal preference though its often touted as best to use those hands that don"t quite make it into your calling range. Personally I prefer suited A7-AT for their card removal benefits and suited connected cards that flop well and are not dominated.

noble1:

--- Quote from: TheSnapper on January 15, 2011, 02:05:14 AM ---

Against this lp raising range a 1:1 mix of value and bluff hands is going to be profitable and this is where the bluff hands you choose are relevent, if you are just indescriminately bluff 3 betting you have no control over your frequencies and can end up 3 bet bluffing too much or not enough. By sticking to a set range of hands you can automatically build in the correct frequency.

Which hands you choose is a personal preference though its often touted as best to use those hands that don"t quite make it into your calling range. Personally I prefer suited A7-AT for their card removal benefits and suited connected cards that flop well and are not dominated.

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yep there"s an approach that some advocate, on the other hand at 50nl,, as well as employing strategies like snap suggests, please take into account that the reg players on stars are pretty much now thinking at the level of what hands you have, so rather than slipping into trying to balance this and balance that,, you can now start working on what your perceived range is.... when u get a good idea of what the villains perceive your range to be then the fun begins [we play pokers] and all the balance guff goes out of the window, you can now start working out when u can unbalance and bluff more to exploit the way they perceive your range and what lines of play u take with that range, in essence u are exploiting the level of thinking that they are on, not just situations when to bluff but also when to get value out of hands [they perceive u weak when u are not, u are aware of this and exploit it]... 50nl is a good place to start imho to know/learn when to unbalance....
all on how good at hand reading u are, how good u are at judging your image... in summary -  by understanding the players u are up against then u can start exploiting them, you"re just thinking 1 level above.......

AAroddersAA:
Quite hard to comment on the hand without the player stats. Do you have the player stats for seat 9? This is FR which is often a bit of a nitfest but I can"t say I have ever played the game with the ante, so I am not 100% sure what it means.

His raise from the button could be ATC. I don"t mind the three bet at all unless the player is really tight in which case you should just fold (It may be too small, it certainly is in theory, but in practice I think it often works). When he calls your bet I have got him on something. Maybe a broadway type hand, small pair or SC. Some sort of hand that has value, not any two random cards.

We now have a pot of $8.25 and the flop is very good for you. You bet $3.95 which is a little bit small, I would prefer to make it around $5 to $6 and take the odds away from the flush draw. When he calls I think he could have a pocket pair, he could have a flush draw or he could have some kind of queen. He could also be slow playing a monster (ie set) but we don"t need to worry about that yet. Overall I think I am probably good at this point but will be reassess on the turn.

THe 7c is basically a blank on the turn and it should not have helped either of you. The check is good at it controls the pot. When he bets all of the above is still in his range and he is hoping to win the pot there. I think you have to call $9 into a pot of $25.15 as well with top pair against that range. He may be putting you on a standard c-bet on the flop also and it could have been a float.

River bricks and you check, he checks. His range remains the same I would say. I think you have to fold if he bets but he checks most of his range here, and people don"t bluff missed draws on the river to make it profitable to call.

Unless the player has a tight raising range preflop (which is possible in a FR game) I like the way you played this hand. The preflop play creates a tough situation on the turn but if you are going to play those sort of hands pre you just have to handle these.

WP - I am guessing he showed a better Queen?
What did he have???

noble1:
for the check call turn brigade :)
http://www.cardrunners.com/poker-videos/video-challenge-finalist-5-matthew-janda/
just press watch now...................... reference - common lines that players take at whatever stake u play at..

now browse thread and look at the common line... :(

edit - i"ll add this as 1... its quite amusing , 2... ohhh so many truths
http://www.cardrunners.com/poker-videos/13-scariest-small-stakes-leaks-of-all-time-przytula/
just press watch now...........................

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