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samuel_9:

--- Quote from: AMRN on February 03, 2011, 21:17:33 PM ---
against a bunch of passive stations, flat call pre, and check/fold if miss. Never betting again on any street if I don"t hit the set

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same here....... realy dont understand the bet on the river

mporter123:
Yup, I got a bit of stick at the table.

The hand played out that the mid position raiser insta folded. I thought I was in pretty good shape now but the button called after a bit of a dwell and showed  ah  9c

My thought process at the time was:-

Pre-Flop - Always checking here.. even a large raise is likely to find one caller that will invite others to come along
Flop - I gave up when I saw this flop, with so many limpers someone had to have a piece of it.

Turn - Another overcard to my pair.. such a small bet, one caller and I decided to call. This is clearly a bad call, bearing in mind at the time I didn"t have any particular plan for the river, I think I looked at the price and thought it was worth it.

River - Facing a very small bet and a call... I was trying to put the two players on hands. Esentially I didn"t think anybody had an Ace or they would have bet the flop on a draw heavy board. I was only worried about the original raiser, thought she was probably weak and made the raise hoping to make someone fold a ten or a jack.

I think this is a real leak when I play live poker - overplaying hands. I think in this hand I wasn"t telling a consistant story so the bluff didnt really make any sense. However not sure if this could have worked if my reads were correct and there was no ace out there. hmm

noble1:
its good that your thinking ranges and that your trying to put opponents on ranges etc, its good that your posting and questioning yourself etc... please don"t stop doing this, in fact u should apply it always...
here in this hand u are just making the mistake of not dumbing down, they"re loose passive / stations who wont fold, they will play weird lines etc..
you"ll lose some big pots cos the bad players will call any draw any part of a flop and then out-draw u, even though u pot bet the flop,the turn etc... they are not concerned what u may or may not have, they have a hand end of story and they will call... its bloody frustrating playing loose players like this but the good news is u will win some bloody big pots...
so dumb down and try not to bluff, if u do then try to do it based on a read, try have an idea of how villains play before attempting anything which lets face it, its to advanced for them to understand what u are repping etc, they either can't understand at that level or they just can't fold even though they know that calling is bad....
ABC sir, rarely bluff and value bet when u have it, when these type of loose passive opponents start betting big or they re-raise u, then fold, even top pair hands, hell even fold overpairs when they re-raise, u only have 1 pair...
keep thinking about your range and your opponent"s range, think about all your options and determine which is the best, this is how you improve... just know and learn when to apply it, as u move up in stakes and u play better players then all this learning new concepts and thinking ranges etc as u do now WILL eventually come in handy...

accept that the rules are different PLAYING THESE TYPE OF PLAYERS, adjust.....

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