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Criticised for not folding m omaha tourney hand here
Marty719:
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--- Quote from: Marty719 on February 18, 2011, 13:52:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on February 18, 2011, 13:41:14 PM ---
For that reason it is very typical for (most) Omaha players to prefer to limp rather than raise. Not always but it"s more prevalent in Omaha than HE.
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This is very much not the case when u move up the levels. PLO has become a very aggressive pre-flop game these days, and to see any decent reg open limp pre is pretty lol. Multi-way pots are not our friend when equitys are so close, Without pfr it just turns into a who runs better game...
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Oh, I agree...but "most" PLO players are at the lower levels (as I am)....and a pre-flop raise (at these lower levels) just makes it more likely that the whole hand will become a bingo fest.
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Its pretty important to the development of ur (or ne1 else playing these stakes) game that you dnt just conform to the standard and have a limp-fest. Any skill advantage is negated and it will allow bad habits to creep into your game.
Edit: I would rather swell pots pre when we have the best hand, than play a "he who hits, wins" game.
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on February 18, 2011, 14:20:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on February 18, 2011, 14:14:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marty719 on February 18, 2011, 13:52:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on February 18, 2011, 13:41:14 PM ---
For that reason it is very typical for (most) Omaha players to prefer to limp rather than raise. Not always but it"s more prevalent in Omaha than HE.
--- End quote ---
This is very much not the case when u move up the levels. PLO has become a very aggressive pre-flop game these days, and to see any decent reg open limp pre is pretty lol. Multi-way pots are not our friend when equitys are so close, Without pfr it just turns into a who runs better game...
--- End quote ---
Oh, I agree...but "most" PLO players are at the lower levels (as I am)....and a pre-flop raise (at these lower levels) just makes it more likely that the whole hand will become a bingo fest.
--- End quote ---
Its pretty important to the development of ur (or ne1 else playing these stakes) game that you dnt just conform to the standard and have a limp-fest. Any skill advantage is negated and it will allow bad habits to creep into your game.
Edit: I would rather swell pots pre when we have the best hand, than play a "he who hits, wins" game.
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At the micro limits if you limp you might get 4 callers
If you"d raised, you"d still get 4 callers - you might have swelled the pot when you have the best hand (you might be 17% favourite instead of 15% for example) - but how is this not going to still just go down to "he who hits, wins" (barring the circumstances where you"re up against such weak players that you can steal the pot even if they do hit)
GarethC:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on February 18, 2011, 14:31:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marty719 on February 18, 2011, 14:20:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on February 18, 2011, 14:14:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marty719 on February 18, 2011, 13:52:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on February 18, 2011, 13:41:14 PM ---
For that reason it is very typical for (most) Omaha players to prefer to limp rather than raise. Not always but it"s more prevalent in Omaha than HE.
--- End quote ---
This is very much not the case when u move up the levels. PLO has become a very aggressive pre-flop game these days, and to see any decent reg open limp pre is pretty lol. Multi-way pots are not our friend when equitys are so close, Without pfr it just turns into a who runs better game...
--- End quote ---
Oh, I agree...but "most" PLO players are at the lower levels (as I am)....and a pre-flop raise (at these lower levels) just makes it more likely that the whole hand will become a bingo fest.
--- End quote ---
Its pretty important to the development of ur (or ne1 else playing these stakes) game that you dnt just conform to the standard and have a limp-fest. Any skill advantage is negated and it will allow bad habits to creep into your game.
Edit: I would rather swell pots pre when we have the best hand, than play a "he who hits, wins" game.
--- End quote ---
At the micro limits if you limp you might get 4 callers
If you"d raised, you"d still get 4 callers - you might have swelled the pot when you have the best hand (you might be 17% favourite instead of 15% for example) - but how is this not going to still just go down to "he who hits, wins" (barring the circumstances where you"re up against such weak players that you can steal the pot even if they do hit)
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What usually happens is that someone else hits, we give up and they win the pot. The point is though, that we have the "best hand" meaning that our hand flops better than theirs, i.e. when we flop set over set, or a dominating draw over a weaker draw, and we get the money in as a significant favourite. So we don"t mind putting in more money pre to facilitate getting the money in when these situations occur.
Marty719:
I don"t agree jon. I think even at the micros, raising will still thin the field a certain amount. People are learning this game and getting better every day. We always want to stay ahead of the curve. Limping gives no advantage at all. Raising gives us the betting lead, which as we all know is a very strong tool, even in plo.
Also, our raising range is a lot tighter than fishes calling range. Therefore, we raise with hands that draw to the nuts, they call with hands that draw to 2nd best hands. Having swollen pots in these situations is always a good thing.
Im not advocating going mental, but if we maintain a tight aggressive game at these levels, and try and not distance our vpip and pfr too much, then we shud be playing a profitable game.
samuel_9:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on February 18, 2011, 13:08:18 PM ---
I"m sure you know that overcards are, for all intents and purposes, meaningless in Omaha. Do you really always put him on just top pair?
Look at it this way...the turn gives you 12 outs to make a better top pair. He has 11 outs (even if he has all undercards) to hit two pair or better. About even then...of course, that"s player dependent but still.
Basically, you played a naked non-nut flush draw and once he re-popped you on the flop I"d be folding and looking for a better spot....unless you really want to gambool!
As it is, we whiffed the flop...why not check it and re-examine once he"s acted?
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NAKED you should never gambool NAKED youl get a terrible draft or a terrible whiffed :-[ :-[.......paulie-d your spelling is terrabol
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