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End game in satellite for a live event
AMRN:
--- Quote from: jbworldwide on March 02, 2011, 14:31:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 02, 2011, 14:24:08 PM ---
so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
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Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
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No - not in the OP example. "Dominated" just means we win 70% of the time - but it also means we lose 30% of the time...... BUT when it comes to making the call, clearly 70% is our best case scenario, with 50% being much more likely.
Normal MTT - snap call. Satellite with a big stack against the only other big stack - snap fold (perhaps even if cards are face up!!)
noble1:
ah 8h - bb can shove if he thinks sb only calls 5% of hands if his opening range is 20% and bb will get a 31% winning chance if called [in cEV land] 99+,AQs+,AQo+
check the sheets [reshoving open raiser]
as for calling , hmmm no thanks, with 3 short stacks to my left i think the better strat is applying pressure to them :)
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 02, 2011, 14:44:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: jbworldwide on March 02, 2011, 14:31:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 02, 2011, 14:24:08 PM ---
so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
--- End quote ---
Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
--- End quote ---
No - not in the OP example. "Dominated" just means we win 70% of the time - but it also means we lose 30% of the time...... BUT when it comes to making the call, clearly 70% is our best case scenario, with 50% being much more likely.
Normal MTT - snap call. Satellite with a big stack against the only other big stack - snap fold (perhaps even if cards are face up!!)
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Thought you were being sarcastic the first time Steve, but that"s just ridiculous
Chipaccrual:
--- Quote from: Luke1 on March 02, 2011, 14:24:24 PM ---
To be honest Leigh, I wouldnt of been calling my shove with K 10 and getting lucky against AJ to help you get into that position.
You know my limited hand range so was quite shocked to get the call.
So no sympathy from my end! ;)
And in answer to your question, would be a fold all day long...!
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I"d raised from late position, you shoved for about 3k from the small blind. I"m playing about 11k/12k if I remember correctly. I"m playing the position, but already have in my mind that if you shove, I"m calling. If I wasn"t going to call, then I wouldn"t raise. Probaby folding if one of the 7k stacks had shoved. Can"t remember exactly what the blinds were, but I think I raised it to about 600/800, so it was another 2.5k for me to call into a 4.3k pot. (I"m guessing the pot size a bit there)
PantsMan:
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 02, 2011, 14:44:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: jbworldwide on March 02, 2011, 14:31:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 02, 2011, 14:24:08 PM ---
so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
--- End quote ---
Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
--- End quote ---
No - not in the OP example. "Dominated" just means we win 70% of the time - but it also means we lose 30% of the time...... BUT when it comes to making the call, clearly 70% is our best case scenario, with 50% being much more likely.
Normal MTT - snap call. Satellite with a big stack against the only other big stack - snap fold (perhaps even if cards are face up!!)
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Totally agree. Satellite stategy is very different to normal MTT strategy and it"s often the right thing to fold big hands, including Aces and Kings, and especially AK! It"s the biggest error people make in satellites. Had someone do it against me in a £300 DTD satellite.
About 10 players left, 2 more players to knock out for us all to get seats. Short stack shoves for 6-7bb, i shove over the top for 20 bbs with AA to isolate, player in the BB calls the shove with AK, for his whole stack (about 15 bbs). That"s a simple fold in a satellite.
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