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Swinebag:

--- Quote from: Philippos13 on December 06, 2007, 23:56:49 PM ---
that seems wrong....liying about your hand and getting penalised

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My take on this is:

If you ask someone what they have because you want a read then they have the right to lie/tell the truth/do whatever they want. You did after all start the mind games

If you are thinking/tanking about a decision and they then start lying/telling the truth/whatever about their cards then this is out of order and should be penalised.

The devil is in the detail here, to quote tighty




--- Quote from: TightEnd on December 06, 2007, 17:21:00 PM ---
APAT Rule 57

Verbal declarations as to the content of a player?s hand are not binding; however at the Tournament Director?s discretion, any player deliberately declaring or miscalling his hand may be penalised.

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So by being asked what you have and then replying, you are not deliberately declaring your hand

kinboshi:
...and yet within the APAT rules I"m sure it allows you to expose your cards when facing an all-in bet and you"re the only one to act (a rule I completely disagree with).

Surely this is a case of "deliberately declaring" your hand?  Don"t these two rules contradict each other?

TightEnd:
One is verbal, rule 57, one isn"t..the other rule

We are in response to feedback looking at the other rule for future events

TightEnd:
One is verbal, rule 57, one isn"t..the other rule

We are in response to feedback looking at the other rule for future events

kinboshi:

--- Quote from: TightEnd on December 07, 2007, 10:59:40 AM ---
One is verbal, rule 57, one isn"t..the other rule

We are in response to feedback looking at the other rule for future events

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--- Quote from: TightEnd on December 07, 2007, 11:01:39 AM ---
One is verbal, rule 57, one isn"t..the other rule

We are in response to feedback looking at the other rule for future events

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Is it that one is verbal and the other rule isn"t?

Are you considering changing the other rule for future events?

;D

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