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Dan Owsten put me in a tricky spot early in APAT Cardiff. Thoughts on this?
PantsMan:
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--- Quote from: I Q8Holds I on June 07, 2011, 21:15:24 PM ---
the Sb was quite tight and hadn"t seen him 3bet once, He may only be 3betting JJ+ +AK +AQ [maybe not aq and jj].
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It was Steve Redfern in the SB, 3 betting Dan"s button raise. I"d say both of there ranges include a lot lower hands than "JJ+ +AK +AQ". Although the original poster may not know them!
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It wasn"t me on this occasion, although I do seem to remember a few 3-bets from the blinds in both directions between myself and Dan. Was fun.
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Ahh, it"s when you said "it was me in the SB that 3-bet" i got confused!
Foggy:
and could be setting up to call a shove here. but then I might think that he thinks that I think he is playing his aggro image......
Yes, but what were you ..................thinking
AMRN:
--- Quote from: Foggy on June 09, 2011, 10:47:21 AM ---
and could be setting up to call a shove here. but then I might think that he thinks that I think he is playing his aggro image......
Yes, but what were you ..................thinking
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That"s over-rated Foggy :)
undisputed:
I can count to Potatoe
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 08, 2011, 16:49:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: PantsMan on June 08, 2011, 10:49:57 AM ---
--- Quote from: I Q8Holds I on June 07, 2011, 21:15:24 PM ---
the Sb was quite tight and hadn"t seen him 3bet once, He may only be 3betting JJ+ +AK +AQ [maybe not aq and jj].
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It was Steve Redfern in the SB, 3 betting Dan"s button raise. I"d say both of there ranges include a lot lower hands than "JJ+ +AK +AQ". Although the original poster may not know them!
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It wasn"t me on this occasion, although I do seem to remember a few 3-bets from the blinds in both directions between myself and Dan. Was fun.
In the hand in question, I hate the call out of position. Furthermore, once you have called, check/folding on a 9 hi board is just weak. When you called, what sort of flop were you hoping for (other than JJx obviously)? With the 3 and 4 bets, I"m not sure that you were really getting the right odds to call and set-mine... and you had to know that Dan would be c-betting 100%. You check/call the flop c-bet, and I guess at this point you"re hoping for a cheap showdown - hence giving up when he c-bets the turn..... In this spot, oop with a medium strength hand, against an aggro player, you"re preflop action determines the entire course of the hand - your preflop flat call was weak, and you ending up losing a lump of chips unnecessarily. Shove or fold pre (fold>>>shove in this particular situation imo)
If I was in that spot, I may be tempted to play back at Dan"s aggro image and shove pre..... however I would then be thinking that he knows he has that image, and could be setting up to call a shove here. but then I might think that he thinks that I think he is playing his aggro image...... oh feck it, just fold pre..... there are much better spots than this to get involved, and with 200x there"s plenty of time.
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undisputed:
PS. JJ here vs me is as good as being dealt Quads Pre. That is all.
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