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Week 5 League Games - Tournament Cancellation

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AMRN:

--- Quote from: MintTrav on June 06, 2011, 11:06:46 AM ---

--- Quote from: AMRN on June 06, 2011, 07:49:32 AM ---
why should those who didn"t play last night or who were knocked out and didn"t suffer from the crash, benefit from added money?

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Why should those still in benefit from the added money? For once I agree with Shogun - you are being greedy.

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I"m not being greedy John - if you had quoted the rest of my post, you would have included my next point that the cash in these tourneys is irrelevant - the tourney is about points.

RicayBoy:
It"s pretty obvious that whatever is decided will upset someone. I feel sorry for Leigh as he has been placed in a no-win situation by 888 who have not exactly covered themselves in glory thus far (exchange rates  >:()

I was in last place when the system crashed and my equity in the tournament was virtually nil so to double my buy-in is actually a result for me. I am presuming that "normal" 888 rules were applied in the event of a server crash so that for me is non-negotiable regarding the pay-outs.

The points is a trickier situation but the reality as we all know is that the leaderboard after level 8 should not be used to determine the overall result as things can change spectacularly between the end of level 8 and the end of the MTT. I know that the team with the most runners left will feel agrieved but I think that the match day should either be abandoned (ie run with one fewer matchdays this season) or re-run from scratch with everyone able to re-enter including those who were already knocked out.

As for any added cash, I would suggest that this is added to a future matchday and open to all runners. To say that players who were already knocked out are not affected is actually incorrect as finishing positions may have had an impact on team points and the individual prizes on offer at the end of the season.

Anyone who thinks that any added money should be played for by just the 55 (I was one of these) and the 24 in Div 2 is just being plain greedy is my view and it"s hardly in the spirit of APAT is it?

Good luck Leigh!

MintTrav:

--- Quote from: AMRN on June 06, 2011, 11:30:56 AM ---
I"m not being greedy John

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For  the record, Steve, I was about to edit that to tone it down "a little greedy"? - lol. Anyway it"s done.


--- Quote from: RicayBoy on June 06, 2011, 11:31:32 AM ---
Good luck Leigh!

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We are all repeating self-evident points that Leigh is capable of working out for himself. Maybe we should just leave it to Leigh to find out the possibilities and make a ruling.

VBlue:
I will respect any decision taken by APAT.  It is inevitable that any decision will not please all of the people, however please remember the nature of the APAT organisers participation as volunteers.  I hope that Leigh and his team do not get aggrivation over their considered judgement.

Honestly, from the position I saw us in last night when I logged off, it would probably suit Carlisle more if the match were void as we had 6 down out of 10 and only 2 inside the top 10 remaining.  I did not see our position when the tournament was cancelled.

I prefer Void Match for the following reasons:

- APAT get the opportunity to re-sell the whole event and could potentially attract more runners
- increased rake opportunity
- all players get a chance to share in any added prize money from 888 which in turn could attract more players too

I can understand the argument for the existing runners only, mostly from those wanting to protect their chance to earn points in this Round.  However, resetting all to a 3k starting stack and full blind structure is still not representing the tourney as it was when the tournament was cancelled and may actually add more of an unfair advantage for those teams who had players still remaining.  Someone who was only a few blinds deep is now back with an even shot at the tournament.

It is that final reason that I would add to the above to argue for a Void match.

scouse3465:
Have nt read all posts so sorry if this repeats., But i will guess that all people / teams who were still in will want to replay it with just them left in . And all out and teams short will not. It should only be replayed with people left if all chip stacks are the same and prize pool is the same (and you can find a date where every player can play). If this isnt poss it should either be cancelled or replayed with anyone who played or wants to play.
Very unfair if replayed from equal chips because all players that have busted and bolstered other peoples stacks now have them cut back down. Therefore certain players would have just not played hands not gambled to get chips as you have to in tournies , will get back from bowl of rice to equal chips. And the players with big chips will be penalised.

Easy answer in my opinion play again or cancel. Replay with players still in if all on same chips massively unfair especially if there added money (should be open to ALL apaters )

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